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Anyone have an idea how much Obama's police state will cost?
by StanH
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I'm sure you liberals who are concerned with our civil rights will be extremely concerned about what Obama has to say about building a police state. Not to mention the cost. What do you think? $300 billion? $500 billion? How does he propose to pay for yet another huge federal government power grab?

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"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

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That's interesting
by hazydavey

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Since when are you guys so cost-conscious?

We're talking about American security and American lives here.

Why do you hate America so much?

Hmmmm.....this will be a start pookie;)
by mookex
Tax Havens Cost U.S. $100 Billion a Year
Senate Report Cites 2 European Banks

By Bradley S. Klapper
Associated Press
Thursday, July 17, 2008; D03

GENEVA, July 16 -- A U.S. Senate subcommittee accused banks in Switzerland and Liechtenstein of helping wealthy Americans evade billions in taxes each year, and urged tougher laws to combat offshore tax havens around the world.

In a report released late Wednesday, the Senate subcommittee on investigations estimated that offshore abuses were costing U.S. taxpayers about $100 billion a year.

It recommended reforms to squeeze tax cheats, including more stringent U.S. requirements for foreign banks and harsher penalties for institutions that fail to provide the Internal Revenue Service with details on accounts American clients hold.

"Tax havens are engaged in economic warfare against the United States and the honest, hardworking American taxpayer is losing," said Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), chairman of the subcommittee on investigations. "Congress needs to enact strong penalties on tax haven banks that help U.S. taxpayers avoid paying taxes."

A Senate subcommittee hearing will be held Thursday.

The 109-page report took aim at Switzerland's UBS, arguably the world's largest wealth manager, and Liechtenstein's LGT group, owned by the principality's royal family.

The Swiss Finance Ministry and UBS declined to comment. The bank has said it is cooperating with Swiss and American investigations and will disclose records involving U.S. clients who might have broken tax laws. It has also banned its Swiss bankers from traveling to the United States.

[LGT said it "has always been and continues to be in compliance with pertinent laws and regulations," according to Bloomberg News. The committee examined isolated cases that "do not reflect the way LGT is generally doing business today," it said.]

A U.S. federal judge ruled earlier this month that the IRS could serve legal papers to UBS in an expanding investigation of U.S. taxpayers who may have used overseas accounts to hide assets.

The Justice Department requested the summons after former UBS private banker Bradley Birkenfeld, 43, pleaded guilty in a Florida federal court to defrauding the IRS. Birkenfeld, who is cooperating with investigators, said in court that UBS has about $20 billion in assets in undeclared accounts for U.S. taxpayers.

Prosecutors say Birkenfeld and others helped California billionaire Igor Olenicoff hide $200 million in assets overseas. Olenicoff, who controls a real estate empire, pleaded guilty last year to tax charges and agreed to pay the IRS more than $52 million.

U.S. taxpayers are required to report all foreign financial accounts if their value exceeds $10,000, prosecutors said. Failure to report the accounts can result in a penalty of as much as 50 percent of their amount.

The subcommittee report said, "UBS Swiss bankers targeted U.S. clients, traveled across the country in search of wealthy individuals and aggressively marketed their services to U.S. taxpayers who might otherwise never have opened Swiss accounts."

It said the bank's practices resulted in billions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer money in accounts not disclosed to the IRS.

Although UBS did not technically violate U.S. reporting requirements under the 2001 "qualified intermediary program," it actively assisted clients in structuring their Swiss accounts to avoid disclosure responsibilities with the IRS and thus aided tax evasion, the report said.

In Liechtenstein, the report said the royal family's LGT Group aided a "culture of secrecy and deception" that enabled clients to "evade U.S. taxes, dodge creditors and ignore court orders."

Re: That's interesting
by StanH
We're talking about a huge government program and police state. I'll mark you down as OK with it. :)
Re: Anyone have an idea how much Obama's police state will cost?
by Reptilicus

Suddenly....amazingly....as they see the passing of Dubya into the history books...

right-wingers "re-discover" "How much will it cost?" (Never asked when it was 3/4ths of a TRILLION ...on CREDIT...for Iraq)....and "taking away our civil rights" (Never asked when it was the Patriot Act, NSA wire-taps, or habeus corpus and rendition).

Amazing, huh?

...less than a bush military state...
by Figjam

...which BTW is under-equipped and mis-deployed.

Only a few months left of the cheney/bush reign of error...

Re: That's interesting
by hazydavey

We're talking about a huge government program and police state.

We are? You mean like the Department of Homeland Security?

Tell us more about this new "program" and police state since you seem to know more about it than even Obama does.

Re: Anyone have an idea how much Obama's police state will c
by StanH
3 out of 3 liberals OK with police state... and counting...
I am not sure how much he will cost US
by redtide
but make no mistake it will be huge...Add to that his increasing of the welfare state on an international level and we are really screwed
Re: Anyone have an idea how much Obama's police state will c
by Reptilicus

Hey, Stan, maybe you could suddenly "re-discover" the conservative principle of "no pre-emptive wars" and "no nation-building" too?!?!?!?

LOL

don't forget that they also
by redtide
want to take away our guns
Bush and Co are liberals
by redtide
and were only elected because they were not as liberal as algor or kerry
Re: Anyone have an idea how much Obama's police state will cost?
by JesseD
"Police state"? THAT is what Bush brought us with his big brother spying. What Obama is characterizing is NOT a "POLICE STATE" . As to it's cost? How much have we blown in Iraq?
Barb, uh, I mean Stan-
by Nick_Danger

You are suffering from "Obama Derangement Syndrome", a recently identified mental disorder which causes insane paranoids to become even more insane and more paranoid.

"Police States" are states in which the government is free to wiretap on peoples phones and hold them in detention without granting them rights to trial by jury, places where even torture is tolerated!

While Obama may inherit such a State, and while his recent vote regarding FISA are discouraging to those of us who hoped he might put an end to it, there is nothing in your quote that indicates the building of a police state.

BTW, you look lovely as always, Stan, I mean Barb!

Nothing, of course
by Horus

Imaginary things have no monetary cost, Stan. Are you on drugs?

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