Forget Morality, Humanity or Legality: Torture DOESN’T WORK

July 16, 2008

[1] George Washington’s Blog
Wednesday, July 16, 2008

A recent poll showed that [2] 44% of Americans support torture on “terrorist suspects”.

Why so many?

A key architect of America’s torture program, Doug Feith, [3] testified under oath to Congress today that torture is necessary because - otherwise - we couldn’t get any information out of the “bad guys”. Several Congress people agreed.

Why do any Congress people support this argument?

Because many people mistakenly assume that torture works, and is thus a necessary evil.

Let’s put aside questions of morality, humanity, and legality . . . Let’s just focus on one question: does torture work?

In fact, the professional FBI, CIA and army interrogators all say no.

They say that people will say anything to stop the pain . . . specifically, they’ll say what they think the torturer wants to hear. Moreover, they say that the way to actually get useful information about of prisoners — including information helpful to stopping future terrorist attacks — is to build trust and rapport with them, or to outsmart them in ongoing conversations.

See for yourself:

• [4] Army Field Manual 34-52 Chapter 1 says:
  

  “Experience indicates that the use of force is not necessary to gain the cooperation of sources for interrogation. Therefore, the use of force is a poor technique, as it yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear.”

• A declassified FBI e-mail dated May 10, 2004, regarding interrogation at Guantanamo states “[5] [we] explained to [the Department of Defense], FBI has been successful for many years obtaining confessions via non-confrontational interviewing techniques.” (see also [6] this)

• Brigadier General David R. Irvine, retired [7] Army Reserve strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner interrogation and military law for 18 years with the Sixth Army Intelligence School, says torture doesn’t work

• A former FBI interrogator — who interrogated Al Qaeda suspects — says categorically that [8] torture does not help collect intelligence. On the other hand he says that torture actually turns people into terrorists

• The [9] FBI interrogators who actually interviewed some of the 9/11 suspects say torture didn’t work

Still don’t believe it? [5] These people also say torture doesn’t produce usable intelligence:

• Former high-level CIA official Bob Baer said “And torture — I just don’t think it really works … you don’t get the truth. What happens when you torture people is, they figure out what you want to hear and they tell you.”

• Rear Admiral (ret.) John Hutson, former Judge Advocate General for the Navy, said “Another objection is that torture doesn’t work. All the literature and experts say that if we really want usable information, we should go exactly the opposite way and try to gain the trust and confidence of the prisoners.”

• Michael Scheuer, formerly a senior CIA official in the Counter-Terrorism Center, said “I personally think that any information gotten through extreme methods of torture would probably be pretty useless because it would be someone telling you what you wanted to hear.”

• Dan Coleman, one of the FBI agents assigned to the 9/11 suspects held at Guantanamo said “Brutalization doesn’t work. We know that. “

Many other professional interrogators say the same thing (see [10] this, [11] this, and [12] this).

Torture is certainly immoral, inhumane, and an illegal war crime. However, until people realize that it doesn’t work, it will not stop, and those responsible will not be held accountable.

history torture has been used to extract information for centuries. So lets see.......do we believe a few whining libbers who seem to care about the enemy more then our own people.

The bottom line is, even if it does not work....who cares it is the enemy

What proof do you have that it works better than other methods ?

After all people did a lot of things for centuries until they found better way of doing it.

Sure has been used for hundreds of years

For something that doesn't work... It sure has been worked...

I believe that those who say it doesn't work are saying just what they think you want to hear... huh?

"do we believe a few whining libbers who seem to care about the enemy more then our own people."

Last I checked the Army Field Manual, FBI, Brigadier General David R. Irvine, retired, Former high-level CIA official Bob Baer, Rear Admiral (ret.) John Hutson, Michael Scheuer, formerly a senior CIA official in the Counter-Terrorism Center, Dan Coleman, one of the FBI agents assigned to the 9/11 suspects held at Guantanamo, are our own people.

So you didn't mean this when you wrote it?

So lets see.......do we believe a few whining libbers who seem to care about the enemy more then our own people.

You mean only "ours" who support torture should be believed. Understood.

redtide:

history torture has been used to extract information for centuries. So lets see.......do we believe a few whining libbers who seem to care about the enemy more then our own people.

The bottom line is, even if it does not work....who cares it is the enemy

You'll be whining like a baby when your kid or other relative is subject to the same by another army some day. It will serve your relative right for having an ignorant person like you in their family.