That's right Chris. We all got suckered by an internet rumor into believing the fist-bump is a coded communication between terrorists. Boy do we feel stupid. We're incapable of comprehending satire, as well. We're flummoxed and enraged by even the least subtle attempt at it, like the New Yorker cover. We believe everything we read, and are easily terrified by cartoons, just like many of the world's Muslims, who, incidentally, also terrify us. Every last one of them.

Thank God there's a few sophisticated, patient, and clever journalists out there who can soothe our angst and explain, slowly, as if to a child, that Obama is not an Islamic Jijadist.

I'll alert all my idiot friends that we really have nothing to fear from Obama...bless your heart.

Patrick McKinstry

And we would love to let you remain morons, but we keep having to clean up the mess after you get into power. We had Watergate and infltion from Nixon, then we had Reagan sleeping though Iran Contra, now we get the ultimate mess from Bush Jr.

Cant you guys just stick to ripping off the stockholders and leave the working people and the taxpayers out of it?

Well, Pmckinstry, of course you are right that no Republican with even the slightest bit of sense actually believed the whole 'terrorist fist bump' nonsense. On the other hand...take a look through some of these threads. As ludicrous as it seems, a whole lot of people on here do believe it, plus a whole lot worse. And sorry to point out the obvious, but those doofuses do appear to be 100% conservatives.

"Cant you guys just stick to ripping off the stockholders and leave the working people and the taxpayers out of it?"

Do you imagine there are no "working people" who own stock?

There's really no limit to the number of subjects on which you're willing to display your ignorance, is there?

which are equally non-sensical.

It was republicans who believed, in 2000, that McCain had an illegitmate black child by a prostitute and voted for Bush.

It was republicans who believed in 2004 that an American naval officer could put himself in for medals and was therefore less prepared for the White House than a guy who used family influence to avoid active duty in Vietnam.

It is republicans who now think that Obama is a secret Muslim, is pro-terrorist and would not defend his country if president.

I'd love to give them the benefit of the doubt but gotta tell you that I can't think of anything quite so stupid among the democrats.

You mean believing in runmours like WMDs have been found in Iraq? WMDs were secretly moved to Syria? Hussein had linkages to Al Qeda? Those on Gitmo are the Worst Of The Worst? We don't torture? Its not unusual for a POTUS to fire his US Attys?

do I really need to go on with the list of "facts" that Republicans "know"?

"Hussein had linkages to Al Qeda?"

Yeah... that's just silly. It's not like the Clinton Administration used infomation about that to explain its cruise-missile attack on the Shifa plant or anything...

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I can. I've heard many left-wing Democrats refer to Bush as Hitler or like Hitler. I've seen signs before that read "Heil Bush!". Tell me that's not stupid, and after you all got so pissed about that New Yorker cover, don't tell me it's just satire. And people don't really believe that Obama supports terrorists or terrorism, at least I don't. I just think he understands the Hajis' "pain" a little bit more than he should and maybe, even if he thinks 9/11 and the Cole bombing and the embassy bombings were tragedies, that he probably, in the company of reliable liberals with no tape recorders running (he hopes) utters the old liberal saw that I heard more than once at UNC when 9/11 happened, and I quote "We deserved it, it was payback for our morally bankrupt foreign policy over the last 50 years and that was all they could do because they can't beat our military in a fair fight" That would make the "bitter" gaffe look like a fart next to a hurricane and end this farce in short order. And I was trending toward liberalism before I heard that, but after that I saw the radical left for what it really was. They want to see America broken like Europe was after WWII so we can get on with Socialism like they have across the pond. Obama is their representative and that, not the Muslim-sounding name, the racist wife, the honkey-hatin' preacher, or any of that other bullshit, is why I hate Obama's yellow guts and hope his bid for the presidency is such a disaster people will laugh about it for years to come.

samurai, i gotta hand it to you. Your post is certainly appropriate for this thread, if your intention is to add to the list of stupid things Republicans believe. Your wild speculation that Obama is happy about 9/11, and hopes for the downfall of the US so it can become 'socialist' like Eupore is quite silly, to say the least. Not to mention, based on no facts whatsoever. Really, not even worth refuting, so I won't. Carry on with your stupidity and lying, if you insist.

And well done, hoping for a disastrous Obama presidency. Very "patriotic". Wow. Aren't you the same type who (rightfully) chides some of the more cynical liberals for hoping the Iraq War is a disaster, just to make Bush look bad? Care to explain the difference between that and what you said?

OK lets consider your answer to my point that as recently as 2006, studies indicate that Republicans believe "facts" about Iraq that have been disproved explicitly by the US Army's own research.

Your answer is to point to Clinton ADMINISTRATION PR about their decision to hit a Sudanese pharmaceutical plant with cruise missiles because of its alleged links to Al Qaeda.

Notice the difference out of the block: The general point is that REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL "believe" stuff that has been disproven by verifiable facts and research.

What one or an other administration issues as propoganda for its actions is not necessarily the same as what the country or its supporters believe. So what did the Dems and the country learn about the Sudanese factory? Well right off the bat the attack was controversial.

IOW Democrats and Republicans both looked at the available facts and concluded that the evidence wasn't very strong, and neither was persuasive enough for even a cruise missile strike.

Now compare that reaction to the Bush administration's claims about Yellow Cake and Iraq. Republicans took as gospel, this now debunked claim, even though the corroborating evidence was WEAKER than for the cruise missile strike.

Not only did the Republicans discard any sort of critical reasoning about this issue, they locked in on this belief so strongly, that 3 years AFTER the WMD link had been debunked by the US Army's own report, the majority of Republicans still believed.

Note also, that there was no discussion of the evidence pertaining to the Sudanese factory BEFORE the strike. So no critical analysis could be performed by the public. Whereas with Iraq, the WMD "facts" were offered to the public. And curiously, Republicans once again suspended critical thought about the facts. And CONTINUED to suspend critical reasoning even when the facts being reported on the ground matched the pre-war criticism about the offered evidence.

So in conclusion what do we see here/

We see evidence offered that Republicans actually ARE ignorant of relevant facts on contemporary issues as important as the basis for the Iraq invasion.

AND we see a Republican appologist not being able to differentiate between the mythologized beliefs of Republicans and supposedly Democrats in general and the spin a Whitehouse issues.

IOW you just proved my point even more strongly. Republicans can't even reason critically about issues for which the facts are know. They cannot set aside political prejudices to accurately assess what is actually known and what is White House spin.

Which is precisely why the New Yorker cartoon is so apt.

Certainly, I said his bid for the presidency, meaning his election campaign, not his stint in the Whitehouse, should that horror actually occur. No, if Obama does get into office I hope he presides over a period of unprecedented peace and prosperity in this country. But I kind of doubt it will happen that way. And I didn't say that Obama was actually happy about 9/11, that is a distortion of my statement. What I really said, although maybe not in the clearest manner possible, is that he probably buys into the "we deserved it" line like I found in college that a suprising number of those on the left do. That does not mean that he is happy about it, it just means that he thinks he understands why it happened and that he might believe the terrorists have a valid greivance against the United States. Which I obviously believe they do not. Of course it is speculation, Obama rarely comes out and says what he truly believes, he tiptoes around that like he's toting nitroglycerine because he thinks the average voter will recoil at how liberal he really is, especially now that he's staring down the bore of the general election and is diving as hard as he can to the right so he can reach the center. To do that he must conceal and obfuscate his truly held beliefs to a certain degree. So you have no facts to refute my claim with, just the sincerely held belief that Jesus Ghandi Obama could never think such a thing. I'm actually thinking of recommending the guy for sainthood. I know the national media would be behind it 100%, they sure want him to be president bad enough.

As fine a piece of misdirected hyperventilation as I can recall-- congratulations.

My point was a very simple one: many people, of varying political affiliations, have for years believed that there is a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda, that the nexus of the connection was WMD, and that it dates to bin Laden's days in Sudan.

Were you interested in anything other than partisan "appology" and point-keeping yourself, you could possibly have grasped that objective reality... and your silly self-serving screed wouldn't be laced with generalizations about what Republicans believe, or amount to a simplistic dismissal on a very complex and yet-unresolved matter.

Rant on.

Using the reference to Hitler is not unique to the left. Read some of San or Predicto's posts. It also is not stupid in that nobody really thinks that Bush is about to startup another holocaust.

It is silly, but not nearly as bad as the morons who let Rove define either John McCain in 2000 or Kerry in 2004. I'm talking about people who would actually believe the dumbest crap ever uttered and not think twice. You are talking about people using the worst possible insult they can think of.

I gotta ask, where did you hear that Obama, or anyone else other than the extreme fringe, thinks that the US deserved 911? Is that something that you just thought you'd throw out to see if it would stick? It is another example of how stupid people can be.....

Obama is now up by 8% or more....and that is without counting college students, since they don't fit the traditional "likely voter" definition from the polling companies. Obama raised $52m last month and McCain pulled in $22m.

The repubs are about to lose 5 seats in the Senate and 27 in the house. Keep praying for an election disaster, you're going to get it.

The problem with the Republican party is that it has changed its core values. What was a right policy, in some cases, is extremely (formally) lefist.

An examply is balanced budgets. The right contnues to criticise the Democrats for tax and spend policies that will create hugh deficits. It doesn't seem to the present Republicans that borrowing and spending with record deficits have any bearing on the issue. A deficit is a deficit. The previous Democratic Presidency had hugh surpluses. Ironically with the facts contradicting the Republican statements there are millions that actually believe that tax and spend will create deficits and tax cuts generate surpluses. Go figure.

Another falacy that is stated daily by the Republican party is that tax cuts generate jobs. This is partially true. The tax cuts for the wealthiest of the wealthiest have created millions of jobs. There is one problem however. With new tax laws created during meetings with Cheney and secret meetings with Gorden Libby (closed by Executive Privilege) tax benefits are increased by sending your corporate headquarters offshore. This is great for big big business but a disaster for the Treasury. Other "new and exciting laws" were also designed at these and other "private" meetings gave hugh tax breaks for outsourcing. There were millions of jobs created but not in the United States. Once again big business gets the tax breaks and the Treasury gets the shaft. So technically the tax breaks to the wealthiest of the wealthy have created jobs and the propaganist of the extreme right wing, the water carriers, continue to reinforce this myth. Jobs are lost by the millions in America and jobs are created by the tens of millions in the third world. Profits for big (now international) business are record breaking and the Treasury takes another beating.

Another slight of truth is "We are fighting in the Middle East to create a peaceful Democratic state." Hello, I thought we invaded Iraq to prevent "a Nuclear Cloud over and American city." Later the reason was WMD. Later it was portable biolabs. Later it was Iraqi rockets that could deliver these bio, chemical and nuclear weapons to the Continental US and its allies. Later it was to get Saddam for disregarding the sanctions and dictates of the UN. The US invaded Iraqi for one reason, its oil. Period. Does the reader actually believe that the American people would have allowed Bush to invade and occupy a foreign nation to "free" its citizens? The Republicians in power used the fear factor over and over. Remember the safety tip of buying duck tape and plastic to cover your windows to prevent being a victim of an Iraqi bio attack?

Another myth is that Bush43 wants a strong dollar. Bush43 has increased the national debt by 50% from $6 trillion to $9+ trillion in seven years. The balance of trade deficit has exceeded $700 million for the last 6 years. By his actions, Bush has dropped the value of the dollar (US) by a third. A humerous note is that a Canada's dollar is worth more than an American dollar for the first time ever. A cheaper dollar means that crude oil is more expensive relative to other currencies. Bush's family is in the oil exploration business. The lower the dollar goes the more the Bush family makes. I realize that this might not have been his original reason for depreciating the dollar by one third but Bush does have a Business degree from Harvard. Regardless, the more expensive crude oil is the more money his family makes.

These are four myths that contradict facts. There are many more but I will leave them for other Frayers.

Respectfully,

wdp