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Unintelligent Satire
by quietbelow

I certainly have no problem with satire, especially with regard to politicians, who certainly need far more directed at them than they get these days.

And I even think that applies to Barack Obama, whose sanctification at the hands of fanatics is not only a disturbing reflection of the gullibility of our republic but misses the point of why he's such a good candidate: he's a relentless, intelligent opportunist who can be a tremendous antidote to the permissive idiocy of the past eight years.

But the one point I'd humbly offer up is that there is effective satire and there is ineffective satire. Effective satire is intelligent, perceptive, disruptive and edifying. I don't think the New Yorker's image is effective satire for these reasons:

1. Those who will "get" the image are many, but what actual effect it achieves for them beyond getting a chuckle I don't know. It's not particularly clever: "Let's compile all the false rumors about Obama and his wife and consolidate them in a funny cartoon that will send them up." Well, those who already know the rumors aren't true will laugh at the stupidity of those who don't know. But it won't be anything new for them.

2. Satire is usually framed around the actual person or institution being satirized, i.e. Herblock's Nixon satire usually depicted Nixon in some way, or Stalin, or whatever political figure was his target. Obviously the point here, assuming there's nothing sinister going on, is to satirize false information. But it's an extremely awkward proposition to satirize false information about a given person by actually depicting that person. There's a cognitive disjoint, because historically the satire should depict the subject of satire, but here it's Obama, who, again, assuming the best, is actually not the target.

3. At best this satire is preaching to the choir. The problem is, when satire preaches to a choir and the non-choir member steps in, things can look awfully disturbing. It's a weird parallel to draw, I know, but in the case of Jeremiah Wright, his sermons were directed to a congregation that knew him well, as well as his work and constitution. When we saw him from the outside we freaked out. Transpose the situation, imperfect though the comparison may be, to this picture. New Yorker readers, being clever and well-informed, all chuckle at the cover and pish-posh those articles that make such a show of decrying it. Only, when non-New Yorker readers see that image, they may see something quite different, if they don't for instance, understand the irony that often characterizes the publication or its satirical bent and/or history. That's obviously not the magazine's responsibility to control, but that image is easily transferable to non-New Yorker readers out of context. That is to say, intelligent satire makes difficult work of turning it into another piece of propaganda. The New Yorker pic does just the opposite.

That's all. I think it was a silly decision to publish it because it could be so easily misused and was so awkward in its general execution (see reason 2). Awful, horribly offensive? Of course not. Stupid? Yes. Though I have a feeling that the editorial staff on the magazine would fear the latter designation more than the former...

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by wayhey1

1. Political cartoons often just get a chuckle, but this one was clever enough to get it splashed all over the news. Everyone is now talking about it, and I imagine sales of the New Yorker will skyrocket this month.

2. Satire is framed around a lot of things for a lot of reasons. In this particular one, we are confronted with the image of all those false rumours put together, and wow is that image ever ridiculous!

3. The choir isn't the cable news channels and print media, but now they are all showing it. If satirists are supposed to worry about what everyone thinks, then satire wouldn't exist. Things being taken out of context is always a risk, but a risk often worth taking. The whole world is invited to discover the context for themselves, and those who wish to remain ignorant will remain ignorant, and lampoon themselves further! Utter genius.

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by acro101

"If satirists are supposed to worry about what everyone thinks, then satire wouldn't exist."

For me it's not that satirists should worry about what everyone thinks, period. It's that they should try and be better satirists. I can think of about 4 other ways to make the same point about Obama. None of them is as potentially harmful in the way that people (myself included) see this picture as being. Basically, you could make the same joke without being a dick about it. So satirists should care about what other people think. Not that they should censor themselves from making particular jokes, but that they should consider if there is a less dick-ish way of making them.

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by Dennis St. John

I quite agree with the initial and follow-up comments on satire, but my literary limitations preclude any meaningful analysis. The word "satire" is defined as follows:

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc. 2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule. 3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.

It just seems to me that the magazine cover fired a salvo at Obama's cretinous critics and hit Obama instead.

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by Barking Trees

Yup. Buncha rubes ain't likely to know what it means. "Them Obama peeples is all durned flag burning muslims...seen the pikture on tha TV!!" Ain't nobody smart enough to get it exceptin us who reads The New Yorker or Slate, an we didn't believe it nohow. Don't go messin with their heads an given em bad ideas.

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by wayhey1
acro101:
For me it's not that satirists should worry about what everyone thinks, period. It's that they should try and be better satirists. I can think of about 4 other ways to make the same point about Obama.

Then by all means, do so.

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by acro101

It's a little late now, don't you think?

One could have included the picture that's actually on the cover in a kind of thought bubble being mused about by someone anti-Obama. That would have made the (hahaha) funny point about how overblown all of false accusations are while at the same time making it clear that the joke was about what people thought about Obama, not about Obama himself. The idea being portrayed by the picture, that people have all these crazy Obama-related beliefs, is not all that clearly portrayed in the picture. In fact, you kind of have to know that Obama is being mis-portrayed in the picture in order to get that what's funny is how false people's beliefs about him are.

I have more, but now I'm thinking I should look into a new line of work.

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by Frank99
Eight years of idiocy? Maybe you don't agree with (I suppose you're talking about the Bush administration) but name calling, especially by those that think they are Superior to the rest of us, does no good. JFK started a war that killed many, many, many times more people than Iraq has; but I wouldn't presume to call him an idiot. I think that he was doing what he though was right, just as Mr. Bush has. I will probably vote for Obama, mainly because I would like to see a man of color in the white house, even though I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but I think it's worth the trade off.
Re: Unintelligent Satire
by darla21
to say that it is not offensive is stupid. it may not be offensive to you but it is definitely offensive to me. to paint someone as an american flag burner is offensive and it implies even satirically that he is unpatriotic and to show his wife with an afro when in real life she doesn't shows disrespect to the black race that sports an afro but doesn't support bin laden or any of that craziness.
Re: Unintelligent Satire
by nolongeronthedemocaticticket
well for gods sake - he sure didn't want to wear the flag. I thought it was very funny and perhaps sad but true. But it would have been funny if it were anyone else - perhaps the Clintons - right? If he can't play with the big boys he needs to get off the field - that's politics ! Send the woos back where he came from. I refuse to vote for the democratic ticket this time. I do not trust him.
Re: Unintelligent Satire
by JJackson

He saw the message, he reacted, he responded with an unambiguous "This is unacceptable." He didn't try to pass a law to take away their printing press, he didn't cow them by claiming 9/11 and saying anyone who's against him is pro terrorist, and he didn't run home and cry. And he did it while using sentences more intelligible than "Send the woos back where he came from" (are you implying Africa?) And, to top it off, even his opponent condemned it. So if Obama doing so is "proof he can't play with the big boys," then I guess you won't be voting McCain either, right? I mean, unless you want to be a hypocrite.

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by wayhey1

darla21:
to say that it is not offensive is stupid. it may not be offensive to you but it is definitely offensive to me. to paint someone as an american flag burner is offensive and it implies even satirically that he is unpatriotic and to show his wife with an afro when in real life she doesn't shows disrespect to the black race that sports an afro but doesn't support bin laden or any of that craziness.

Way to be offended. You're a real hero, equipped with "super-sensitivity"!

Sorry
by Horus

Bush is, clearly, an idiot. I can't see how any objective observer, seeing the foibles of the last 7+ years, could reach any other conclusion.

His behavior, speech, actions, policies, subordinates, everything about his administration shouts it out loudly.

Name-calling for its own sake is often a weak response, true, but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. "Bush is an idiot" tells it like it is...

Re: Unintelligent Satire
by Lawrence Warren
quietbelow's commentary is thoughtful and well-informed but, despite its admirable features, I find that it misses the point insofar as it accepts the notion that The New Yorker cartoon comprises failed or unintelligent satire. As published, notwithstanding its cute title or the alleged conscious motives of the artist as well as those of the editors of the magazine, The New Yorker cover is a racist expression.


Re: Sorry
by Frank99

Horus, that's kind of my whole problem with the idiot thing. George Bush is obviously a lot smarter than most people, definitely smarter than me. I barely got through college, (though it was with a degree in Physics) had a horrible time with speech class, I'm every bit as poor a speaker as GB. So when people make fun of him and say he's stupid and an idiot, it just doesn't ring true. I remember September 12th, and I remember how I felt and I remember thinking that if we could get through the next couple of years without another attack, I would be amazed. I also remember France, Russia, Germany all saying that Iraq had WMD's, that wasn't fabricated. I think GW handle Katrina horribly and for that I was very upset, but as for the way he has handled Iraq, I truly believe Bill Clinton, Al Gore or John Kerry would have done the same things. Arm chair quarterbacking is easy, but in the heat of the moment, who knows exactly the right course

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