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ABD not necessarily pretentious
by boojum
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I reject the idea that All But Dissertation's husband is necessarily pretentious. I allow that he may be, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I myself am a full-time graduate student, as well as a part-time waiter, and I teach three classes a semester--which is equal to the courseload of a full-time professor. Notice that I say I teach three classes, not that I TA three classes.

That last point is significant, so I'll repeat it in a new line for skimmers. A teacher is distinct from a teaching assistant. I have done both and they are both noble and demanding endeavors, but for a teaching assistant to say they are a teacher is like a paralegal claiming to be a lawyer. But ABD admits that she and her husband both teach classes, and that makes a crucial difference. A teacher prepares a syllabus, gathers materials, outlines student activities for every day of class, lectures, and does much else besides. A teacher is recognized by the university faculty as knowledgeable and competent in their field, even if they are a graduate student.

Perhaps you still think ABD's husband is pretentious. Consider this: I have several friends who are consistently-working actors. Even consistently-working actors, however, rarely make enough money to keep themselves above the poverty level. So these actors make the majority of their income as bank tellers (the old stereotype about actors as waiters is exaggerated and impractical--waiters make most of their money on dinner shifts, which is during the hours most actors rehearse). When asked what they do, should these actors say that they are bank tellers? Or should they say that they are actors, as that is where their heart is (and they make money--however little--doing it)? What about writers who have day jobs but still publish a handful of articles every year? Most playwrights that I know only produce a finished work every couple of years--what on earth should they claim as their profession? Grocer?

I tell people I teach, in the first place because it's true, and more importantly because teaching is what animates me. The opportunity to connect with my students in a classroom setting is what gives me energy through what are very long days. It is not a chore I fulfill for money during my college days (like so many bored teaching assistants that I have seen, surfing the internet while their students have group discussions). The dedicated teacher has a job that cannot be exaggerated, no matter what their faculty designation or terminal degree status may be.

It is still entirely possible that ABD's husband is a tool. If he is indeed evasive of follow-up questions, then he probably is. So be it. That does not change the principle at stake. As adults, we have (hopefully) become more sophisticated in our attitudes towards career and identity than when we sang "Who Are the People In Your Neighborhood?" We have come to understand that for a great many people there is a divide between their job, their income, and "what they do." It is not for us to prescribe how people draw those lines for themselves. As long as the person identifies himself or herself with an activity that he or she actually engages in, it is not ours to say. To those who call this dishonesty and a question of ethics...well, it may be, depending on the stakes of the situation. In a job interview, it would certainly be unethical to mischaracterize the situation. But at a cocktail party, it may be no more unethical than when you ask me how I am doing and I say, "Fine."--even though I am not fine at all, but I know you don't really care to know or if you do, you'll ask some follow-up questions.

Evading those follow-up questions...that's a different matter.

Re: ABD not necessarily pretentious
by Selene212

For the actor question-

Any time anyone says they're an actor, unless they're someone pretty prominent or in a recognizable role, everyone else in the room wonders what they do for money.

That's not the case when someone says they teach.

Re: ABD not necessarily pretentious
by Colage

I think the issue with saying "I teach at XYZ College/University" is that it is more or less implying that you're a professor there, or at least that your primary reason for being around the campus - not that you teach the 101 courses as part of a graduate program requirement (or extra money, or whatever have you).

But, at the same time, calling one's spouse out on it is a little messed up. What exactly do you lose if people think he's part of the elbow-patch crowd?

Re: ABD not necessarily pretentious
by magicienne
Colage:

I think the issue with saying "I teach at XYZ College/University" is that it is more or less implying that you're a professor there, or at least that your primary reason for being around the campus - not that you teach the 101 courses as part of a graduate program requirement (or extra money, or whatever have you).

But, at the same time, calling one's spouse out on it is a little messed up. What exactly do you lose if people think he's part of the elbow-patch crowd?

The problem is that most people don't understand that there is a difference between being teacher, a full professor, and a TA. "Lay people" might think a teacher is a teacher is a teacher.

My husband, a grad student, sometimes avoids these questions by saying he works for the University. So very quickly people who are just making conversation end their questioning, satisfied in getting an answer. Or he can go on to say that is a grad student or that he TA's classes and next semester he is teaching a class. Just like the top poster said he is writing the syllabus, needs to make sure the test is written, teaches the class etc. A TA might be allowed to imput questions for an exam or a suggestion on what material to cover but it is the job of the Teacher/Professor to be the final say in everything for the class.

The wife also said that they don't even teach at the same school so it can be different from one to the next what might be expected of the grad students. If all the other students at the husband's university refer to themselves as teachers he might just be following along with the group.

I can't see this marriage lasting a long time if she puts him down in public...

Re: ABD not necessarily pretentious
by rapple37
Personally, I would never thing that "teach at a University" implies a professor, but that is probably due to the number of non-professor instructors I have had for classes. Also, graduate programs typically pay the students for either teaching or doing research in a lab, at varying ratios depending on the program. Where it is required, if you don't teach, you don't get paid, thus if the question is "What do you do for a living?", teaching or working in a research lab would be the honest answer, because that is what you are paid for.
Re: ABD not necessarily pretentious
by Fitzpatrick

Saying "I teach" is not a problem.

Evading the fact that you also take classes is a problem.

I'm trying to picture this "evaisve" conversation, based on the LW's description:

Hubby: Hi there, I teach!

Wifey: And he's working on a Master's in the Elizabethan Poetry program!

Hubby: Teaching ... completes me.

Wifey: Don't forget that your term paper is due. What was it on again, Numerology in Shakespeare or something?

Hubby: Is that a quarter on the floor? Well, look at the time, better get another drink. Then I'm off to grade papers - a teacher's work is never done!

Wifey: Nor a grad student's!

Actor friend: And I thought I was a drama queen...

(Flourish and exit)

other pursuits are almost more defining
by its yggy

Everybody asks what you do, so they can do the whole social-economic analysis bullshit. But in a lot of ways what you choose to do outside of the economic sphere is more important, because it shows a passion not tied to money. Anybody can be an accountant (no offense to you accounts). But if you're an accountant who restores vintage motorcycles, then that's something to talk about.

Oh sure, this is partly sour grapes coming from me. I haven't made a living in music since I was 24 and it was such a shoddy one I had to get a day job. But I feel have to tell people about it because it's an integral part of who I am. And chicks dig musicians. And I worked way too hard to give up my check in that column!

So when someone asks what I do, I say, "I'm a web project manager...musician...lover...r­aconteur...patriot." You know, whatever I'm feelin'.

Re: other pursuits are almost more defining
by dumb_blonde
I'm just a little old copier/printer operator. But my resume says Document Duplication Specialist.
A friend's visiting card says:
by Fitzpatrick

Polymath - Autodidact - Farceur

Re: ABD not necessarily pretentious
by Terrils
Colage:

I think the issue with saying "I teach at XYZ College/University" is that it is more or less implying that you're a professor there,

Hm. Well, it depends. Most people who went to college in the last several decades probably took lower division classes taught by a grad student. I wouldn't assume a person who taught at a college was a professor, particularly if he was young. My first guess would be grad student. So how much the guy's statement is misinterpreted might depend on his audience and their knowledge of college (Sorry about the rhyme).

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