I don't know which is worse, the fact that Dana Stevens thinks that a song by Outkast should come ahead of anything by the Doobie Brothers viz-a-viz a Summer song, or the fact that 2/3ds of the Gabfest finds Seinfeld funny.

George Carlin's 'a place for my stuff' is timeless, but to credit the departed Mr. Carlin as being partially responsible for "creating" stand up comedy speaks of a depth of knowledge on the part of the gabfesters worthy of film school text-books and third-hand accounts of pop-history.

Didn't the gabfest members ever wonder what Bob Hope was doing in his annual shows? What is it that they don't get about how George Carlin's humor and how it was in opposition to bland Americanism (from the Englishman Bob Hope) . Things don't need to be 'edgy' to be important, George Carlin doesn't need to be on a continuum with Lenny Bruce.

I suggest renting "Catch-22" and observe the genius of Buck Henry and Bob Newhart (yes, he had a career before the Vermont sitcom). These guys were Carlin's contemporaries and their aggresive and intelligent humor against the Richard Nixons of this world is what made the sixties and seventies not be so lame.

Incidentally, it's easier to appreciate the hysterical--and transcendent--insolence of Steven Colbert's humor after delousing oneself from Seinfeld, Tina Fey, and the other 'comedians' who think Chevy Chase is a genius.