Iraq and Afghanistan has proven that 'occupation' of very large land masses is too expensive for the occupiers and ties down their troops. This 'lesson' was well understood by the Mongol invaders that swept to the gates of Vienna, Austria in the 12th Century. Their 'solution' was a total 'scorched earth' and 'massacre' policy, as a 'defense' since they did not plan to expend troops to 'occupy' the conquered countries. Those that 'surrendered' were spared but governed by the Mongol administrators who kept careful watch for any 'anti-Mongol' eruptions which would then require the return of Mongol troops for a 'massacre'. Civil War General Sherman's 'March to the Sea' was a less gruesome use of the Mongol policy, where 'foraging' supplied his troops, but the skipped the 'massacre' portion of the Mongol formula.

Thus, the 'Palestinian Model' where a country, city, region is totally defeated and 'surrounded' such that food and water can be 'cut off' anytime by the conqueror is also a variant of the Mongol 'formula'. The Gaza Strip Palestinians are ready to be 'massacred' when Israel is good and ready. Also if Iran should plan to use 'nuclear missiles' the Palestinians surrounding Israel would 'die' along with the Israelis. For Israeli missile weapons 'protection', these weapons should be close to Palestinian cities, so any 'air attacks' would kill Palestinians as well. This 'Palestinian Model' variant was also used by the Hezbollah in Lebanon where they place 'missiles' on top of civillian apartment buildings, hoping for to use their women and children as a 'moral shield' when they fired their rockets. The 'women and children' are also used in Palestinian Gaza rocket firings on Israel form areas occupied by civillian populations. Needles to say, if Muslims think so little of their 'women and children' to use them as shield, 'we'----non-Muslims, should attach the same 'value' to the lives of their women and children a fire into 'civillian areas' since the military 'areas' are purposeful not separated from the civillian areas. Grisly and cruel, but no different then the WWII bombings of 'civillians' in the UK by Hitler and Allied 'retalliation' with German city bombings. No, there is not 'moral superior' position in wars. Just victory or defeat.

The fact that Arrafat invested with Bank Loumi and his widow obsconded with the Free USA funds for their cause after Egypt evited the Arafat Nazi Family who have since been seeking someone else's country to black mail in ya face it seems. I post the Islamization political system of govt-- Pretty erie and applies to the USA now importing refugees from UN from war torn buslims killing ea others women and children and men and businesses and homes . They are not beholden to honor US law as moslems --and as moslems do not fight in any US wars or conflicts as sunni African Americans will not calling it white man's wars not Allah's descendents wars of Mohammed and Ali clan descendents as Hussein Soetoro Obama appear to be DNA linked to as a black jesus of Mohmamed and Ali clan descendnet as well as a white jesuse descendent of the harriman Churchill DNA and of Bush and James Madiosn-- Holy Rocky Mtn Highs coming to Enver's AHA Epis Temples this August for inner city Patriotism of seperation sovereign nation status as Black men and women of Arrabic sold slavery roots to Brits who brought them to join Carolinas and Georgia white Penal Colonists for debt-- later called by Black crackers(those who crack wheat and silk hulls. Brits replaced White slaves of Penal Colony for Debt with stornger mandingo crackers. No catholics or jews were premitted there by the Brits from the Debtor Prisons! The Real Nakba: the forgotten refugees from Egypt: Wahba's story Posted by <link> on Wednesday, June 25th at 8:17 AM Maurice (Moussa) Wahba - One Story at a Time By daughter Rachel Wahba, JIMENA Steering Committee member Maurice/Moussa Wahba knew when it was time to leave his beloved homeland. It was 1939: “I saw the writing on the wall” he told me many times, the memory ever present in his mind. And how with his father’s blessing he accepted his older brother Jacques/Yacoub’s invitation to join his import-export business in Japan. In the same breath he always repeated, lest anyone forget, that the Wahbas were “real” Egyptians, rooted in Egypt for thousands of years, predating Islam. Leaving Egypt was not on the mind of most Egyptian Jews in 1939. But dad was an intuitive, and always ahead of his time. He saw what was happening ---he saw how Hitler was being portrayed as a hero with bookstores featuring “Mein Kampf” in Arabic. He felt the change coming fast, the Jew was lumped in with resentment towards “foreigners” as a new nationalism took hold. Koranic distrust and diatribes against Jews were resurrected and concretized in Egypt. The rest of the family, was exiled in l956. They fled their hometowns and cities of Mansoura, Cairo and Alexandria, penniless. They were forced to sign papers promising “never to return (to Egypt).” This humiliation my father did not have to directly experience. We were already settled in Japan and waiting (it took 20 years) to immigrate to the United States. My father had many challenges and adventures in pre-war Japan, Shanghai, India during the war years, and post war Japan, before arriving in the America. He met his challenges with courage, creativity and grace. None of it was “easy.” After returning to Japan once the war was over, his Egyptian passport became invalid. He became a Stateless Jew, an import-exporter stranded without a passport. Encounters in Japan ---Maurice, Mr. Toyota, and the Saudis. In 1949 the Japanese were reeling from the war, desperate to rebuild their lives and businesses. Daily, Japanese exporters would bring samples of merchandise to my father that they wanted to sell overseas. At that time Dad was busy exporting porcelain (Turkish coffee cups, tea-sets, dinner sets), to Egypt and the Gulf states. Nicknamed “the king of porcelain”, he was also working with Mr. Toyota of future car fame. At that time Toyota was manufacturing weaving looms for export. Toyota faced a crisis --- his looms were ready, but there were no ships. It was too soon after the war and ships were hard to secure for commerce. He was also facing bureaucratic difficulties. Toyota came to my father, who had a reputation for getting merchandise out, and told him “you can make it happen, you are king of Nagoya (in export)!” Dad has fun remembering this story. Dad promised Toyota he would find a way, and he did----he found a French ship about to dock in Nagoya for just a few hours and was able to secure the necessary papers from General McArthur in time to get the looms out. Toyota was happy, dad was happy he could help a fellow businessman. He marvels at how things were then and now; and how he saw history being made. Dad remembers the strange looking contraption showcased in the Toyota building, a decrepit wooden structure. A small three-wheeled vehicle, (‘the ugliest car I ever saw”) sat proudly inside the entrance. Lovingly dubbed “bata bata” for its uniquely bumpy ride, this first Toyota eventually took over our hearts and the streets of early 1950’s Japan. Business has its ups and downs, and some of my dad’s stories don’t end with a smile on my face. In the mid-fifties Dad got “the biggest deal” of his export life. He received a cable from the Saudis requesting 16,000 army uniforms: “Can you make them EXACTLY like the American army uniform?” Dad replied, “Yes, exactly SIMILAR,” he replied, and got the order. He was thrilled with the order and with his ingenuity. He immediately contacted one of the big monopolies, Nomura Trading. Nomura agreed to open a sewing factory and produced the order for 16,000 uniforms. We were going to have money, But there was a problem. Being Stateless for one thing, and being a Jew (even if my father had a passport Jews were not allowed into Saudi Arabia), Maurice could not travel. He had to send his Japanese business associate in his stead. This time perhaps the temptation was too much for the man. While in Saudi Arabia he converted to Islam and informed the Saudis: “Moussa Wahba is a Jew”. And that was the end of it. “My business was finished with Arabia---I had to find something else.” And he did. He never stopped improvising, creating, and growing. As his daughter, I was privileged to witness a life lived with creativity and faith. He possessed and cultivated patience and acceptance rooted in his love of wisdom teachings. “Don’t be sad for me,” he said before he died, “I had a wonderful life”.

History has proven time and time again that the Middle East cannot be conquered or subjugated. Even amongst it's own historical conquerers like the Hittites, Asyrians, Egyptians, Babylonians, and Persians; they were never able to maintain control.

the 'religious' theocratic model of Muslim governing. Ataturk 'reshaped' Turkey in the 1920's after the defeat (and decadence) of the religiously bound Ottoman Empire. His 'anti-religious' rules( no 'fez' for men, no beards, and no veils for women,----would you believe?) are still enshrined in the Turkish Constitution and 'rights for women' were granted even before women could vote in the USA (starting about 1923). Atatruk was the 'model' for Nasser which culminated with the basically Fascist Baathist Party who learned more with visits to Hitler Germany. Between Ataturk and Hitler, Nasser even picked up some 'anti-semeticism' where there is a 'population hate group' always necessary to 'govern the country'. Ataturk had the Greeks Orthodox Christians and Armenians on death marches out of the country, with the Greeks reponding with Turkish death marches out of Greece. And India 'split' into Hindu and Moslem 'countries' with death marches of Hindus and Muslims to their respective corners to Ghandi's dismay. So, there is always a 'hate group' needed to shift attention away from government failings. And 'that' seems to be the lesson here. The need for 'nationalism' contra the goals of 'internationalism'. The Communist hymn the 'Internationale' continues its appeal contra 'national' needs for strong tribal identity.

you have wwii backward.

the brits bombed german civilians first.

the germans only retalliated later. had they kept to their game plan of bobmbing air bases, radar stations, and airplane production plants in stead of bombing london they might have won the battle of britain.

the brits continued to devestate german cities through out the war. the germans wasted a lot of money and talent on the v-1 and v-2 retallitory weapons.

the longest running into 'today'? Roman Empire going over 1,000 years even with its 'Holy Roman Empire' variations when Christianity 're-created' it. The the Russian USSR version with containing 21 ethnic groups and some hundred distince languages and dialects lasted less then a hundred years. Things ---even languages, 'change'. English was not even a recongizable language until after the 12th-13th Century? King Arthur spoke 'Angle-Saxom', which was a pigin 'German' still partially understandable by German speakers (sort of). The average 'religion' lasts about 500 years. The Middle East with its various 'tribal groups' was only 'slightly' unified with conversions to Islam where they had to learn Arabic in order to read the Koran. So, 'maintaining control' is more of a dream than a historical reality, it seems.

where 'terror' on the civillian population was a planned result. Yes, they did hold off on the UK for a while. And, the 'night time' bombing of ostensible military targets by the Brits was not perfect and hit 'civillian targets' a lot of the time. Purposeful bombing of civillians to create 'terror' was expanded into the UK later.