How does this differ from doctors having to tell you that there is a 'risk of death, risk of coma, risk of blah blah blah' that doctors are required to say before most simple surgery or before administering anesthesia? In order to satisfy full disclosure regulations they are required to tell you a whole host of things that they do not think are necessary or likely to happen. The requirement to inform scared intimidated women (who most often are having abortions because they have no support from boyfriends, family or society) that the organism inside then is a living being is only unbelievable because the of the deceipt that has been promoted for decades. Women are so brainwashed by 'authorities' that the organism inside them is just a BLOB of cells the are rightly entitled to some accurate information. What is unbelieveable is that some parts of society are so wedded to their agendas they cannot tolerate an iota of truth. If abortion were really a "choice" no one would object to full disclosure.

Your main point here is that women are fools (brainwashed).

Well how about all the fools that believe in voodoo and myths; you know Christians, Muslims, Jews, ,, all religious people.

They are clearly brainwashed since the vast majority of people retain the religion of the family. i.e. brainwashing is passed on from one generation to the next. So the government should require all churches to have 'full disclosure'. e.g. coming back from the dead is a myth,,, if JC is the son of 'god', who \ how was the sperm placed in Mary, etc..

I don't believe women are as stupid as you think so most will just read this crap, sign it and then let that live be sucked from their bodies and put in a trash bag. Is American great or what!

Informed consent should also include the risks of carrying a child to term- inability to raise potential child may result in severe depression, increased risk of permanent injury and/or death (actual risk is greater than pregnancy termination), increased risk to society for supporting and raising child suffering from emotional and or physical abuse, decreased potential for pregnant woman to become/maintain status as a productive member of society....

I'm all for full disclosure.

Governments are qualified to mandate informed consent prior to any procedure or transaction. They are not qualified to determine the content of the consent.

pollyanna, have you ever had a baby yourself? If not, then can it. Thank you.

I have had a child. 5 weeks in, I had an ultrasound. Yeah, it didn't look like much, but there was a head, body and 4 nubs moving around, a heartbeat, and some brain activity. That is a LIFE.

Raising a child doesn't cause depression. Depression is something that is pre-disposed. It's in your DNA make-up and chemical combination. If Severe depression occurs, it's because said patient would have already been dealing with clinical depression to begin with. ie: your argument in that is idiotic. ps. there is help out there for those who do get depressed. You don't have to go untreated for it. How about those who HAD abortions and had to deal with the severe depression and guilt feelings? My mom had one before she had me. She STILL hasn't forgiven herself, and still feels sick thinking about it...so, you should be ok then letting those about to abort that depression and guilt feelings may occur as a side affect?

Permanent injury? That happens too with abortions, as well as death. Quite a few women have lost complete ability to bear children later in life due to abortions. Face it, it's not gentle on the woman's body either. well, there goes another pro-abortion argument...I can keep going. In fact, I will!

Having a baby will increase risk for supporting a child suffering from abuse. Yeah, any human life can do that, who knows, someday we could be supporting you for the same thing, also those with alzhiemers, etc...Shall we off all those who aren't doing well and need help to suite your "pollyanna" world?

As a mom, I have maintained status as a productive member, many pregnant women remain just as, if not MORE productive than your little self. Hey, not only are we keeping the workforce moving, contributing to society, we are raising the future generation that you will later come to depend on.

If you don't want kids, here are ideas, don't have sex. Want sex? be responsible, tie your tubes, tubal ligation, if you never want any, remove the uterus, it holds no meaning for you. Want kids later, check it out, there's thousands of places you can go get birth control. City/state/county programs, non-profit groups, ect... If you are grown up enough to have sex and not want a kid, then be responsible. If you can't handle the steps it takes to not get pregnant, you may want to see if you are lacking in maturity and ability to think as a productive member of society. Only a moron wouldn't understand that sex without contraception makes babies.

There you go....full disclosure.

btw: no, my pregnancy wasn't peachy keen, but I'd do it all over again. She was well worth every bit.

One more thing, making money isn't the only way to be productive. Volunteer workers are far more productive than the celebrity movie star or run of the mill ambulance chasing lawyer. And yes, raising the future generations and takingthe time to do it right is being very productive.

I think my point is made.

Yes injury and death occur with abortions as well as with pregnancy, however pregnancy rates of death are THREE HUNDERED PERCENT HIGHER THAN ABORTION. That's just a basic set of facts from the CDC.

So are rates of permanent physical damage such as incontinence, reduced sexual function.

And while there are indicators that a predisposition for depression is genetically linked, the more hormonal fluctuations the body experiences and the more dramatic events that are experienced the more likely such depressions can be triggered. So it turns out that the net rate of depressions if you include miscarriages, runs about equal for abortion vs. carrying to term.

No mechanism of birth control is 100%,.So your claims about the harm of abortion vs. pregnancy are simply not supported by indpendent medical research such as that done by the CDC.

And your arguement that only anecdotal evidence is acceptable is about as far from valid policy reasoning as it gets.

Lastly YOUR belief in what is and is not life is yours. You have no right to impose it on others. And fortunately the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution precludes you from using The Government to do so as well.

How bout some real FACT BASED truth.

Carrying to term causes THREE TIMES as many deaths as aborition does according to the CDC

And if you want further "full disclosure" permanent health impairment such as incontinence, difficulty walking and lifting heavy objects, sexual dysfunction etc. are ALL HIGHER WITH CARRYING TO TERM.

These are just plain statistical facts. So as part of "full disclosure" do you think women who get pregnant should be informed that their likelihood of death is three times higher if they carry to term than if they abort?

After all, that WOULD be "full disclosure"? Yeah I didn't think this was about "full disclosure". This is about propoganda.

Yes, I've had a baby- 2, in fact. By choice.

Comments about productive members of society have nothing to do with finances. It's about quality of life. And I don't think government is qualified to decide what is or is not acceptable quality for an individual. And if I decide that my actual quality of life takes a higher priority than the potential quality of life of a non-viable fetus, government doesn't have the right to reverse that priority.

degsme:

How bout some real FACT BASED truth.

Carrying to term causes THREE TIMES as many deaths as aborition does according to the CDC

FALSE.

Carrying to term, 1.6 deaths per thousand or something like that, or per 1000 deliveries there are 1998+ survivors

Abortion 999 maternal survivors and 0 baby survivors.

Therefore, ABORTION KILLS 50% OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, whereas only a few in a thousand die normally.

Math isn't really very hard.

Wait just a second here.

If you are counting the fetal deaths as part of the mortality rate, then you have to take into account all spontaneous misscarriages. That is, half of all fertilized ova spontaneously abort.

So, of 1,000 pregnancies, that is 500 abortions right off the bat.

THEN start doing your hard math.

Freki

Freki:

Wait just a second here.

If you are counting the fetal deaths as part of the mortality rate, then you have to take into account all spontaneous misscarriages. That is, half of all fertilized ova spontaneously abort.

So, of 1,000 pregnancies, that is 500 abortions right off the bat.

THEN start doing your hard math.

Freki

LOL, I will if you can prove that people with spontaneous miscarriages wouldn't have gone on to have abortions at some point. If you can't, there's no way to know what group to put miscarriages in, is there?

So, no, we'll stick with the numbers above.

Bondsman, the CDC numbers are only counting the risk of death to the pregnant woman, not the foetus.

All I am saying is, if you are counting fetal death towards the mortality rate of abortion, we also have to count fetal death towards the mortality rate of pregnancy.

Otherwise, that's cooking the numbers.

Freki

Freki:

Bondsman, the CDC numbers are only counting the risk of death to the pregnant woman, not the foetus.

All I am saying is, if you are counting fetal death towards the mortality rate of abortion, we also have to count fetal death towards the mortality rate of pregnancy.

Otherwise, that's cooking the numbers.

Freki

Oh I understand the CDC numbers well enough, but you can't really say that any spontaneous abortion is a death to be counted for delivery though - you don't know what the fate of that embryo would be. Up until the time of delivery the woman could always decide to abort, couldn't she?

The point I was trying to make is only that with abortion, two people go in, slightly less than one comes out.

with deliveries, basically twice as many people end up alive as started.

That's obvious enough, but sometimes we lose sight of the big picture.

you don't know what the fate of that embryo would be

Well the same applies to abortions. You don't get to sit on both sides of the fence. If you are going to include fetuses in the death rates of abortion, then you have to include "natural" fetal deaths in the death rates of carrying to term.

And there are roughly 21 MILLION spontaneous abortions/miscariages per year.

So with carrying to term, basically far more "people" end up dying than the amount contributed by abortion.

and THREE TIMES the number of women die in delivery.

That's obvious enough - sometimes we lose sight of the big picture.

"The point I was trying to make is only that with abortion, two people go in, slightly less than one comes out."

Are you trying to say that I am now less than a person because I had an abortion when I was 19?

Or that that two-inch long, reptilian looking foetus I had removed was somehow more than one person? 1.08 people? How many persons do you figure a foetus counts as?

I don't get it.

Freki

Yes, if your point is that your baby's father supported you while you cared for your infant and you haven't had a social science class lately.