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To Wobblie re Barry Dunham's inner city Patriotism -
by lilmacg
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At the bottom of this thread is my last reply to religion definition as as pertains to Obama's many faces of Black Theology followers and leaders advising him! I'd Bet former Panther e-squire Kathleeen Cleaver though a Clinton suspended delegates chief counsel knows where the mazletov cock-tails are hidden that she(fem Collective ) haven't thrown as yet! poor whites are crackers? Typical Whts vs DNC Elites Fem
by lilmacg
07/06/2008, 3:41 PM #

Obamas ivy leagued from open enrollment ?

hmm

DNC mergers with M.E. Slave Masters system
by lilmacg

Inner City perpetuations using juryless Courts to determine a man's debt for family w/o jury and Imprisoned as a Deadbeat Terrorist alleged in common law and globally Sought through Biden's I-VAWA Act Pending under the Law of Capias for recapture the Govt's state woend chattel Debt by imprisonment.

DNC John Locke slave owner Liberators of Blk Theologists of UCC merged with Islamics factions to redistribute slaves in conflict wars over cultural differences and Feminist Rites to unveil the worlds women?

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If a non-Muslim population refuses to adopt Islam or pay the Jizzya protection/ subjugation tax, that population is considered to be at war with the Muslim "ummah" and therefore it becomes legal under Islamic law to take slaves from that non-Muslim population.

. Re: Islamization of America's commerce
by lilmacg
07/06/2008, 2:24 PM Delete Favorites Reply

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Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.



Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

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. www.frontline.org.za/books_vid­­­eos/sti.htm

Re: What do you say to...
by wobblies
07/06/2008, 4:07 PM #

Muslims that support secularization of the government & separation of church and state. While you are at it, what do you say of those right wing religious extremists who espouse pretty much the same thing as the extremism you point out here of Islamic extremists; they are two peas in a pod. Thomas Jefferson was a leading light on this issue.

God Speed,

David

Re: What do you say to...
by lilmacg
07/06/2008, 4:33 PM #

Yes Wm & Mary College(Phi Beta Kappa skull & bones society)) President Tom Jefferson slave owner was a masonic leading light on the John Locke liberal movements-

You forgot our Senate and Congress got Black Panthered and cities burned and people murdered in inner city maintained DNC CRA by LBJ(Obama kin ).

America was terrified and surrendered to 7Trillion in black mail guilt for something the Arabs did with the British that brought Africans to the colonies to suppliment the white slaves of former Penal colonists for DEbt to the Crown.

Who started what in Congress and Senate is passe' Un runs the show now-- I-VAWA of Biden- Lugar a Demo and Repo to unveil the world's women in conflict religious wars!

Humans are carnivorous!

I say Tax NAFTA, Oil For Food and other not for profit Robin Hoood Foundation 127 NFP govt org member pension plans spiking oil prices while having a deal with Chavez for cheap govt oil for its unions!

I also say cleanse from within--both parties!

less is more cept from within!

social capitalism partnerships are already left and right in palce with extremist killer African leaders, Chinese Leaders and Indonesia and Pakistani leaders burning their own and enslaving to date!

We can be self determined w/o more black mail CRA Reperations from the damned arabs who sold them to Brits is the so callled black issue not poor white working classs Obama and Wife fist bump over as typical whites aka crackers (those who had to crack hulls in the south for a meager living.

Hope your dinner was enjoyable last night and that you got my reply that it was your very post reply cheering about the memory of the 1972 Fist Slaute that I responded to. Only to have you reply by telling me to stay on thread topic of patritism Fist Salute inclusive

Good Speed to ya!

and you are welcome for the links on Obama geneology to Bushs, LBJ, Harriman Churchill!

Greed is innate and in this ocuntry baby boomers struggling got over and got entertainment rulers rich! But with lies and using guilt on America!

British bought slaves from Arab moslems from Africa and brought them to our colonies to join the christian Penal colonists and highlanders needing food and land since the crown was killing off its over population.

Economics not color determined whyblacks were used over white slaves!

Time for some Blk Theology pay back of that 7T in social welfare back into our Treasury and out of enemy govt org BOD positions as licensed ABA spouses of Prince Hall(crown chartered) masonry as Obama is!

;)

good speed to ya

Re: What do you say to...
by lilmacg
07/06/2008, 4:37 PM #

re: your question!

What I say is RIP Mrs Malcolm X (Brown sugar Malcolm called her as an endearment) burned to deathe when readying to run agianst Farrakhan! And her grandson removed from NY agaisnt the law to do that to a minor so he can be in Gerry's Massachusetts pyro rehab center!

Re: Religious Liberty is cause of freedom
by wobblies
07/06/2008, 4:51 PM #

Hi~

I like this definition from Wikipedia

"Religious toleration is the condition of accepting or permitting others' religious beliefs and practices which disagree with one's own."

"In a country with a state religion, toleration means that the government permits religious practices of other sects besides the state religion, and does not persecute believers in other faiths. It is a partial status, and might still be accompanied by forms of religious discrimination. Religious toleration as a Government policy merely means the absence of religious persecution; unlike religious liberty it does not mean that religions are equal before the law. Toleration is a privilege granted by Government (which it may do by law or charter), not a right against it; governments have often tolerated some religions and not others." <link>

Most civilizations in our history had a common religion dictated by the leadership of that society. Religious liberty has been a goal of the enlightenment period and is seldom achieved. For example, the mind set of our founding colonists was that any land not owned by Christians could be taken and settled. It is also true that those very early settlers would argue that conversion would change the status for individual Native People, but that proved to be hype.

I'm sure you realize that Israel is a religious state that is dominated by and run in the interests of one religion. Those people have treated the indiginous Palestinians in the same way Americans treated Injuns.

I could also point to places like Islamic Spain being more tolerant of other religions than then then existing Christian nations in the rest of Europe.

I do not argue about religious intolerance in Islamic societies where fundamentalists dominate an Islamic people. I have family that are Ba'hai who were persecuted in Persia by Muslims.

We must also remember that there are Muslims that respect and support secularisation and the separation of church and state. I would recommend Tariq Ramadan for starts. <link>

Religious freedom is about as intimate as a right can be: nothing is more central to a person than one's relationship with God. Still it is rare, especially among fundamentalist Christians in this country. Yes, it is even more rare in the Muslim world, but I'd rather tend to business in my own home and country.

God Speed,

David


Re: Amen
by wobblies
07/06/2008, 4:55 PM # :-) Re: Amen
by lilmacg
07/06/2008, 6:13 PM #

Well we've talked!

And you seem to grasp my writings and link overlays now or at least are a bit more tolerant of my religious writes and religious presentations of multi lingual none crown English code speak concept re thinking ) though different than yours! fundalmentally speaking-

I will have to concur though with pulpitry needs for bread basket fillings in todays society that goes to our govt lobby system of earmarks that would influence any new party we/you might come up with.

Behind every religion and its doctrines in a country lay an oligarthy of humans who own the land and its chattel. In this Case our own Oligarthy govt has a distinctive veiled religious faith!

See US CODE VOL 1954 List of Congresssionally formed corporations . There you will find the epicenter of the Robin Hood Foundation 127 govt rogs not for profit hedge funding off futures dealing in Black gold aka OIL jacking up our prices except to their members who have a special Old Standard Oil oilgarthy discount deal going (aka Standard Oil Company).

Most of its tax protected original shares lay in the Wm Stamps Farish Foundation Vaults probably along with the artifacts of the Stone Mason's Washington Monument(metaphor) pertaining to the Black and the White(sun burnt) Jesus israelites of moor roots!

hmmm

So is a christian a christian by any other DNC controlled proposed Candidate name?

hmm

Ard Chiolle= never Forget ( a Scottish Rites highlander Sept motto)

Refers to never forgetting the Crown Noble common law Debtor Nation Republic illusories over time!

Any fool knows a group of local colonies could not defeat the British Empire in 1776 by incorporating and taking over all the Crown's Lawyers and pre-revolution hildings including its personal Human chattel and schools!

What a Trinity!

Blk & Wht

Re: No flag pins fist bumping-Kenyan msolem ties 2Indonesia?
by lilmacg
  • While you found those Harmonious Fist Salute to our Star Spangled Banner beautiful, as stated below eve n while an entire olympian sports team was being body bagged to make a point!
  • I personally loved The links below yours to Mr Jesse Owens religion!
  • Re: Those black fists were beautiful Topic: Fine Obama quote from 'Patriotism' speech
  • Re: Please stay on topic Blk Fist was your reply? Topic: Fine Obama quote from 'Patriotism' speech Rating: +1
    Last response by wobblies on July 6, 2008
  • RIP JESSE OWENS!

    U the Man of the United States (and its Peoples bonded) of America!

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    Re: a Wht Georgia colony - Kate Ireland Gerry Livingstone?
    by lilmacg
    Typical Wright Blk Theology Crackers
    by lilmacg
    07/06/2008, 2:09 PM

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    Rice was a popular crop along coast; further inland they grew wheat and other products whose hulls needed to be "cracked" before use, hence "Cracker," a derogatory name for poor upcountry farmers.

    Colonial Georgia

    Georgia History 101


    The colony of Georgia was truly the vision of James Edward Oglethorpe. His plan to use the new colony as a haven for people in debtors prison grew out of his committee work while a member of Parliament. Although Oglethorpe did not conceive the idea, he did seize it and attempted to act upon it. However, by the time he received the charter for Georgia (June 9, 1732) Oglethorpe had dropped his plan to use debtors and hand-selected the 116 men and women who would travel to South Carolina on The Ann.

    On February 12, 1733 (February 1, old style) a group of six small ships landed at Yamacraw Bluffs and set up on a site Oglethorpe had chosen earlier. It would become Savannah. Defense was an early concern of the new colony. Oglethorpe established a perimeter around the colony including Fort Augusta, Fort Fredrica and Fort St. Simon (List of Georgia forts) and had slavery and liquor banned from the colony.

    Over the first six years the struggles of the new colony came from inside. Many did not like the lack of land ownership; others were angry over the lack of slaves; some just wanted rum and beer. Slavery was an extremely divisive issue, with the people of Savannah wanting Negroes while the Highlanders along the coast and the Saltzburgers at Ebenezer wanting to be slave-free.

    Before the end of the first year of the colony's history the population was increased by the arrival of a vessel with forty Israelites who, while not under the care of the Trustees or coming with their consent, proved to be thrifty and industrious people and were allowed to remain.

    Georgia had always been a "melting pot," welcoming the persecuted and prosecuted of Europe including large groups of Puritans, Lutherans, and Quakers (Wrightsboro). The only group not welcome in Georgia were Catholics, which is not surprising considering the religious wars that were fought a century earlier in England. The diversity of religion brought Georgia an unexpected strength - an willingness to accept others regardless of religion.

    The first test of the new colony came in 1739 during the War of Jenkins Ear. Southern Georgia and Florida were battlegrounds over the next four years, most notably the siege of St. Augustine (1740) and the Battle of Bloody Marsh (1742). When peace finally settled on the colony Oglethorpe was gone, never to return, and William Stevens was president.

    The War of Jenkins Ear was a minor war that fueled a much larger conflict known as the War of Austrian Succession (1742-1748). Because of the cost involved in fighting the war the English Parliament had little money to support the colonies it helped fund over the past 80 years. Georgia came under increasing pressure in the late 1740's to become self-sufficient.

    Georgia was not prosperous under the trustee system. In 1749, 16 years into the trustee system, the colony exported goods for the first time. James Habersham petitioned for slavery to be allowed and the request was granted the following year.


    The Southern States of America
    The History of Georgia - Chapter I - The Colony of Georgia, 1732 - 1776

    Georgia a Part of Carolina.

    THE land which, in 1732, was granted to the "Trustees for establishing the Colony of Georgia in America" was originally granted to the Lords Proprietors of Carolina; but as no act of settlement beyond the right shore of the Savannah River was exercised by the proprietors, Sir Robert Montgomery obtained from them, in 1717, the right to the use of the territory between the Savannah and the Altamaha rivers for a settlement to be called the Margravate of Azilia. It was expected that the Montgomery colony would at once take steps to improve the land so secured, and that the prosperity of the new undertaking would be assured. Such was the prediction of those who were directly interested in the project, but their efforts were not properly guided, and it remained for a man of greater ability and of more decided energy to carry to a successful issue the scheme proposed by Sir Robert Montgomery. James Oglethorpe was the man who was to be the leader in this great work, and the circumstances which led to his taking charge of it may be said to be providential.

    Georgia a Distinct Proprietary-Oglethorpe's Settlement.

    The story of the investigation by a committee of Parliament, headed by General Oglethorpe, of the methods pursued in the matter of the imprisonment of unfortunate Englishmen, has been so often told that it need not be here fully rehearsed. The result of the investigation brought about the needed reform in the prison system, but the most far-reaching and fruitful result was the founding of the Colony of Georgia. Oglethorpe, who had been the chief instrument in bringing about the great change, was chosen as the leader of the band to prepare the way for departure to the new country which they were to develop and change into a great state among a sisterhood of states forming the grand Union which is one of the world's powers. For an accurate and true account of the reasons for establishing the colony, succinctly stated, no better can be found than that given by Gov. Robert Johnson, of South Carolina, in the preamble to a proclamation issued by him Jan. 13, 1733, calling on his people to assist their new neighbors in Georgia. In it occurs this statement : "I have lately received a power from the Trustees for establishing a colony in that part of Carolina between the rivers Altamaha and Savannah, now granted by his Majesty's charter to the said Trustees, by the name of the Province of Georgia, authorizing me to take and receive all such voluntary contributions as any of his Majesty's good subjects of this province shall voluntarily contribute towards so good and charitable a work as the relieving of poor and insolvent debtors, and settIing, establishing and assisting poor Protestants of what nation so ever as shall be willing to settle in the said Colony." It maybe well for our readers to have before them also the words of the charter granted by George IL, giving the reasons as follows: "Many of our poor subjects are, through misfortune and want of employment, reduced to great necessity, insomuch as by their labor they are not able to provide a maintenance for themselves and their families; and, if they had means to defray their charges of passage and the expenses incident to new settlements, they would be glad to settle in any of our provinces in America, where, by cultivating the lands at present waste and desolate, they might not only gain a comfortable subsistence for themselves and families, but also strengthen our colonies and increase trade, navigation and wealth of these, our realms."

    James Oglethorpe, the philanthropist and Christian gentleman, was also by choice a soldier, leaving college to take up arms in defense of a cause which he considered right. His character was right in every respect, and in undertaking the establishment of a colony under such circumstances he was literally carrying out the noble sentiment expressed in the motto adopted for the seal of the Province: Non sibi, sed alliis. Whether he foresaw the success of his scheme, or not, cannot be determined, but certainly true was the statement made by a newspaper not long before his death: "General Oglethorpe can say more than can be said by the subject of any prince in Europe, or perhaps that ever reigned; he founded the Province of Georgia in America, he has lived to see it flourish and become of consequence to the commerce of Great Britain ; he has seen it in a state of rebellion, and he now beholds it independent of the mother country, and of great political importance in one quarter of the globe."

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    James Edward Oglethorpe ( 22 December 1696 - 30 June 1785) was an English general and philanthropist, a founder of the state of Georgia.

    Other Settlements.

    Before the end of the first year of the colony's history the population was increased by the arrival of a vessel with forty Israelites who, while not under the care of the Trustees or coming with their consent, proved to be thrifty and industrious people and were allowed to remain. Following these came a band of religious exiles, called Salzburgers, who were warmly welcomed and who made their settlement at a place they named Ebenezer, up the Savannah River, about twenty-five miles from Oglethorpe's town.

    He was born in Godalming, Surrey, the son of Sir Theophilus Oglethorpe (1650-1702) of Westbrook Place, Godalming. He entered Corpus Christi College, Oxford, in 1714, but in the same year joined the army of Prince Eugene. Through the recommendation of John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, he became aide-de-camp to the prince, and he served with distinction in the campaign against the Turks, 1716-17, more especially at the siege and capture of Belgrade. After his return to England he was elected as member of parliament for Haslemere in 1722. He campaigned for the improvement of the circumstances of poor debtors in London prisons; for the purpose of providing a refuge for persons who had become insolvent, and for oppressed Protestants on the continent, he proposed the settlement of a colony in America between Carolina and Florida. He laid the groundwork for the colonization of the state, proposing that it be colonized with debtor In economics a debtor (or a borrower) owes money to a creditor Accounting.s released from the abominable conditions of England's debtors' prisons.


    The first company of the colonists, comprising 130 individuals, or thirty-five families, came over in the latter part of the year 1732, in the ship Anne, which set sail on November 17. Oglethorpe was one of the party. They reached Charleston, S. C., Jan. 13, 1733, and were there cordially welcomed by Governor Johnson, who assisted them in getting to the place where the first settlement was to be made - Savannah. Leaving the others at Beaufort, on the way, the General, guided by some of his Carolina friends, proceeded on his way in order to select a spot for the permanent location of his followers. He found what he sought, and a better selection than the site of the present prosperous and flourishing city of Savannah could not have been made. Indeed, no one would now wish for a change. On the spot he found a village inhabited by Indians, of whom Tomochichi was the chief, and who soon discerned the true character of Oglethorpe. The two men at once became friends and the Indians and Englishmen remained friendly as long as the General lived in Georgia. A treaty was afterwards made which was strictly observed, and the Colony of Georgia had scarcely any troubles with the aborigines. The plan of the city of Savannah has been greatly admired, and it would seem that it had been carefully prepared before the colonists ever set foot upon the soil. Oglethorpe, having chosen the spot, went back for his followers, reaching Yamacraw Bluff Feb. 1 (old style), 1733 (Feb. 12, new style), and, after landing, they united in a prayer of thanksgiving and praise to God, lodging that night in tents. The work of building houses for the people began the next day, and the settlement was called Savannah. In the work of making homes for themselves the colonists were greatly assisted by their neighbors of Carolina, who even then exhibited that social spirit for which they have ever since been noted.

    Other Settlements.

    Before the end of the first year of the colony's history the population was increased by the arrival of a vessel with forty Israelites who, while not under the care of the Trustees or coming with their consent, proved to be thrifty and industrious people and were allowed to remain.

    Re: harriman-Livingston-Gerry DNA ties to Esq Michelle Obama
    by lilmacg
    Re: The murder of Israeli athletes was...
    by wobblies

    barbarous. I do strongly believe that Israel has taken Palestinian land by force, but it would be abhorrent to have any of God's children murdered in the name of God.

    By the way, touche re who got off topic. :-)

    The actions of the American athletes had absolutely nothing to do with Israel. Those fists were a voice for reform in leather here in America. I never considered the salute as resembling a NAZI salute & they didn't either: the athletes held their arms high in the air, unlike Adolf's wag.

    Let me clear, organized religion is no more serious than ancient mystics with a fire stick. More often than not, they have been oppressive and misogynous throughout history. It appears to me that territorial imperatives from various world leaders is more important in their motives than religion.

    It is clear that Islamic armies began to take land by force at some point after the death of their founder, but I don't know what that date was. If you have a date, please comment. It is also true that Muslims aren't supposed to attack innocents, but groups like al Qaeda ignore the proscription. That is why groups like Sunni Muslims turned on them in Iraq. That was more important as a cause of the recent calm in Iraq than the increase in the number of US forces. (:-) I just went off topic.

    re family ties, I know that elite families have extensive ties, but I've never paid sufficient attention; it is just that I am more interested in them as a class than as individuals; any wealthy or poor child could respond in the same way to greed.

    God Speed,

    David

    Re: The murder of Israeli athletes was...
    by lilmacg

    re: If you have a date, please comment.( nvr did test well after AD turned in BC but will TRY to get it out in the open))

    It is also true that Muslims aren't supposed to attack innocents,(& G Washington wasnt supposed to chop down the "cherry" tree either to carve out a set of false teeth he needed t ocross the Potomac in dead of winter--but he did)

    but groups like al Qaeda ignore the proscription(hell I saw a NATO escort around the 747 leaving the Un with the Laden family onboard and the WH Lincoln room antiques in it too as e-squire Rod-HAM cleaned house) .

    That is why groups like Sunni Muslims turned on them in Iraq.(well beats the Ali Babba and the forty thieves sTORY)

    All along I thought it was the michigan militia err the Kurds militais oil line deal with the Ruskie caucASIANS for Black Sea lines)

    That was more important as a cause of the recent calm in Iraq than the increase in the number of US forces. (:-)

    Well I'll see how Carver City and overtown turns out --Once they(the SUNni Liston Big Daddys clean house down there so I can get to the Opera house w/o "Hey Brother spare a dime" gospel singers jingling my pacemaker looking for blk gold---- course I'd have to sell my socks to get a tkt with the rates the Cuban Judes charge as entry fees--

    I just went off topic.

    me Too

    ;)

    lol

    Now about Amos & Andy shows being removed! And putting in Eddie Murphy look alikes in their p-lace posing as Al Jolson---singing Maaaaa meeeeee--

    Peace on Earth---

    long as I get my piece(s) of land with mineral rites back in BEE Bee ReBozo's turf---

    Hope u have a sense of humor--

    Few know how to spar--- in words by looking within its inner makings like Art=Rat n its inverses--

    Now thats poetry in motion wordsmithing none English Trinity church post revolution <G> (no not G-d--Gerrymandering angles) holdings proper(ty)

    Hope ya right on the atheletes Gold Bolds during the slaughter coincidence! Cause I'm a Leftie- and they say a leftie is due in office in 2009. Think I'd have it redone on the exterior using John Petrie as the paint artistan errr KinKaid

    if Petrie retired from Pink Floyd island coverings!

    chao Bellla!

    and Good speed to ya

    on ya journey to catch that mayflower to fetch pokahontas back from Smith brothers(Smith-son-ian Gold smiths of Bank of The UNited States cleaned out of its English Gold coins funding the New Federal City AC/ or is that DC? Eastern Star shrines of Charter Hall's woemen? ;) ) sowing their royal crown oats in her Pequot Tribe busom! She's the Last of The Casino 3 Kings Mohigans---Greatest shows on Earth as is the DNC performances of the suspended delegates--

    just jabborwocky! Brain tired and musing---knowing how the Patty hearst closet Queen robbed a bank of her dad's because her captives were forcing her hands in after hr oratories --- Thanks God for Jimmy and Billy Beer twice pardoned(last time in Dec 2000) with a WH hand signature Federal witness pardon She is born again I hear-- and had nothing to do with the clinton-Rdoham deal of 5B in legal fees to tobbacco interests law suits--- err

    hmmmm

    Well May a Kincaid original land in ya yard

    (from within)

    Re: Re Touche and SUNni Segal Mr T Mali warrior squads
    by WearyWillie

    Geeesh and just when I thought we'd be paying more social welfare to the Bank Loumi!

    Sure wouldnt mind the IOLA interest on the US food check bill for sunni insiders---! probably will make the past 7trillion paid in social programs since Tex LBJ Obamana Kingdom CRA got amended aft J &R FK went down with MLK- and rebuilding inner cities with mickey mouse sub prime pvt bankers and their insider sub prime contractors look like chump change for self determination visionaries of chit merchantry!

    All one can hope for is that Penelope slams shut Pandora's box with more than hope and white light left inside the US)

    :)

    Ard Chiolle

    Royal is My Race

    All Hu-man bootstrapping de factos of us not wordsmithing for the ENGLISH CROWN JEW-ELs-

    ain;t nada wrong with concept speak amer-I Can language arts with all its mix sowed inflections

    Top of the Morgan(God Damned Morgan clans exferred their Chase & Manny Hanny and UST Ass-Ets into one French 1800s corp called AXA Grp) to ya

    wearywillie & clans

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