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How long Must We Study Marijuana?
by jsknow
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WHY ISN'T EVERYONE SCREAMING FOR LEGAL MARIJUANA?

Every report says the same thing about MARIJUANA

IT HAS NEVER KILLED ANYONE IN HISTORY

No adult deaths, no kids have ever died from it, (not that kids should have it but it's good to know they won't die from it).

Most reports say users drive with even higher safety than people that are not under the influence of anything.

It does not lead to using other drugs, that's like saying beer leads to whisky.

People are going to use something to alter their state of mind, they always have they probably always will. Why not allow them to have something that HAS NEVER CAUSED A DEATH IN ALL OF HISTORY?

PLEASE TAKE CIVIC ACTIONS AND STOP THE DEATHS, VIOLENCE AND CRIME CAUSED BY MARIJUANA PROHIBITION

On March 22, 1972: The Richard Nixon-appointed, 13-member National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse recommended the decriminalization of marijuana, concluding, "[Marijuana's] relative potential for harm to the vast majority of individual users and its actual impact on society does not justify a social policy designed to seek out and firmly punish those who use it."

1997 ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS

CAUSED BY DRUGS

TOBACCO ........................ 400,000

ALCOHOL ........................ 100,000

ALL LEGAL DRUGS .......... 20,000

ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ....... 15,000

CAFFEINE ............................ 2,000

ASPIRIN ..............................­.... 500

MARIJUANA ..............................­. 0

Source: United States government,

National Institute on Drug Abuse,

Bureau of Mortality Statistics.

Marijuana And Hemp The Untold Story

The right; to freedom of religion, free speech, a free press, to keep and bear arms, to be secure in your person, house, papers and effects against unreasonable search and seizure, to life, liberty and property, to be protected from having your property taken by the government without due process of law and without just compensation, to confront the witnesses against you, to be protected from excessive bail, excessive fines, cruel and unusual punishment, to vote and many others have been denied to millions of Americans in the name of the drug war.

It's time to remove all the politicians that promote prohibition.

How many more lives have to be needlessly devastated or lost?

Prohibited drugs are way easier for kids to get than regulated drugs!

Prohibition never works it just causes crime and violence.

The year alcohol prohibition was repealed violent crime fell by 65 percent.

The USA spends $69 billion a year on the drug war, builds 900 new prison beds and hires 150 more correction officers every two weeks, arrests someone on a drug charge every 17 seconds, jails more people than any nation and has killed over 100,000 citizens in the drug war.

In 1914 when there were no prohibited drugs 1.3% of our population was addicted to drugs, today 1.3% of our population is still addicted to drugs but there’s way more crime and violence because of the huge profits prohibition generates. Drugs today are more potent, more readily available and often less expensive than they were in the early 70’s when Richard Nixon started the war on drugs. Every time you look at the news you see more and more drug busts involving bigger and bigger quantities of drugs, not less and less... doesn't that call for change?

If you are called for jury duty and you don’t agree with the law the person is charged with, you have the right to vote not guilty, no matter what evidence is produced. Jurors implementing this right in all non-violent drug cases will shut down the ridiculous laws of prohibition. One juror in each case is all it takes. The bottom line is a juror has the right to judge not only the accused person but the LAW the person is accused of breaking. Don’t be intimidated stick to your position Vote Not Guilty in all non-violent drug cases.

IT'S A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE MEDICINE TOO:

In 1988, after reviewing all evidence brought forth in a lawsuit against the government's prohibition of medical marijuana, the DEA's own administrative law judge (Judge Francis Young) wrote:
"The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision. It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the Drug Enforcement Administration to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence." Judge Francis Young of the Drug Enforcement Administration went on to say: "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known. In strict medical terms, marijuana is safer than many foods we commonly consume." Judge Young recommended that the DEA allow marijuana to be prescribed as medicine, but the DEA has refused.

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Re: How long Must We Study Marijuana?
by Liberal Patriot

How long Must We Study Marijuana? Not very long. Depending on the strength of the herb anywhere from two to four hits to know that it is an immediate intoxicant that no one would want their surgeon, dentist, cab or bus driver, cop, kid or wife on when they're operating a motor vehicle or preparing an injection. I was 16 in 69 when most of the 'shit' was the real, natural deal. We had Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, Colombian Gold and Mexican Dirt Weed, and, as an honorable mention in memory of the great George Carlin and his 'Toledo Windowbox'; mine being New York Vacant Lot and Florida Home Grown, which was damn good and $12 for a four finger lid.

Now you all have this reality altering shit laced with friggin formaldehyde. Exotic blends of Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent and California Sinsemilla fer cryin out loud. Sure, and legalize machine gun ownership and eliminate drivers licenses while your at it.

Re: How long Must We Study Marijuana?
by tmallen
Well, were marijuana legal, there'd be hefty lawsuits and criminal proceedings against any manufacturers who laced their "product" with formaldehyde. Just a thought.
Re: How long Must We Study Marijuana?
by KevDurden
Liberal Patriot:

How long Must We Study Marijuana? Not very long. Depending on the strength of the herb anywhere from two to four hits to know that it is an immediate intoxicant that no one would want their surgeon, dentist, cab or bus driver, cop, kid or wife on when they're operating a motor vehicle or preparing an injection. I was 16 in 69 when most of the 'shit' was the real, natural deal. We had Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, Colombian Gold and Mexican Dirt Weed, and, as an honorable mention in memory of the great George Carlin and his 'Toledo Windowbox'; mine being New York Vacant Lot and Florida Home Grown, which was damn good and $12 for a four finger lid.

Now you all have this reality altering shit laced with friggin formaldehyde. Exotic blends of Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent and California Sinsemilla fer cryin out loud. Sure, and legalize machine gun ownership and eliminate drivers licenses while your at it.

#1) How is any of those examples you listed, such as using marijuana at work, not directly comparable to alcohol and its effects? If you truly want to claim that 2 to 4 drinks aren't an intoxicant, I would rebut that science isn't your strong suit.

#2) Driving under ANY influence is already illegal.

#3) No study has been performed linking marijuana to formaldehyde. Not one. And even if any study did turn up, would this result not be directly linked to its illegal status (also known as unregulatable)?

#4) Your poorly-constructed attempt to link marijuana to machine-gun ownership and lack of drivers licenses ignores that marijuana cannot be used to kill mutliple human beings, and is not a form of transportation.

It depresses me that your horribly misinformed vote actually counts.

Not to mention
by FaxMeBeer
All the legal actions that would be brought in 40 years when pot smokers started getting cancer from smoking.
Re: How long Must We Study Marijuana?
by Liberal Patriot
KevDurden:
Liberal Patriot:

How long Must We Study Marijuana? Not very long. Depending on the strength of the herb anywhere from two to four hits to know that it is an immediate intoxicant that no one would want their surgeon, dentist, cab or bus driver, cop, kid or wife on when they're operating a motor vehicle or preparing an injection. I was 16 in 69 when most of the 'shit' was the real, natural deal. We had Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, Colombian Gold and Mexican Dirt Weed, and, as an honorable mention in memory of the great George Carlin and his 'Toledo Windowbox'; mine being New York Vacant Lot and Florida Home Grown, which was damn good and $12 for a four finger lid.

Now you all have this reality altering shit laced with friggin formaldehyde. Exotic blends of Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent and California Sinsemilla fer cryin out loud. Sure, and legalize machine gun ownership and eliminate drivers licenses while your at it.

#1) How is any of those examples you listed, such as using marijuana at work, not directly comparable to alcohol and its effects? If you truly want to claim that 2 to 4 drinks aren't an intoxicant, I would rebut that science isn't your strong suit.

#2) Driving under ANY influence is already illegal.

#3) No study has been performed linking marijuana to formaldehyde. Not one. And even if any study did turn up, would this result not be directly linked to its illegal status (also known as unregulatable)?

#4) Your poorly-constructed attempt to link marijuana to machine-gun ownership and lack of drivers licenses ignores that marijuana cannot be used to kill mutliple human beings, and is not a form of transportation.

It depresses me that your horribly misinformed vote actually counts.

Sheesh! What a stiff! At least it used to give us the giggles in my day. So there's reason enough there not to make it legal if they've removed the gag factor. I wish I knew who you were so I could come up and slap you up side the head and say, "Relax! I'm just fuckin with ya!"

I had some clean columbian gold one time that my room mate and I split what we considered to be a ridiculous cost of $30.00 for a two and half finger lid with seeds. It lasted 6 months of daily use between two adult men. One pin joint would last two days. I went on to harvest about 2 lbs from the afore mentioned NY Vacant Lot from those very same seeds and they were dynamite.

About 15 years ago was the last time I smoked. It sent me into shock and woke up in the ER.

Now you can sit there and critique what I previously posted until you are blue in the face. Marijuana is an immediate intoxicant. I am not illegal nor anywhere near sloshed after two sips of cold beer. If you sip and enjoy your beer you will not get drunk.

I don't know about you but I never found pot to be particularly as tasty as tobacco and beer. In many cases it was harsh and got harsher after 4 to 6 hits which, by then, all were down for the count.

Finally, little man, my very informed life experiences do count quite credibly in contrast to your pathetically short sighted rationalizations. I just hope you don't finally learn the hard way.

Re: How long Must We Study Marijuana?
by KevDurden

So because you were an idiot in college and can drink a lot (kudos on that), otherwise innocent people should be forced into prisons for their comparable habit?

How thoughtful.

Your former idiocy is not scientific evidence. Your sense of humor, convoluted as it is, is not a basis for policy. I don't care if you're "fucking with" anybody, the fact is that you're applying your own stupidity-driven bad experiences to justify a wholly unamerican and unconstiutional, not to mention unsafe and economically stupid, policy. Your tolerance for alcohol is not something to legislate.

Stiff? How about you put the beer down and think rationally?

What's the big deal?
by FaxMeBeer

Why is it so important to people that weed be legal? There are all sorts of things that many people would like to do and can't, it's sort of the cost of living in a civilized society. Give and take, you know?

And, why is the legalization crowd so dishonest? Marijuana effects each person in different ways. Some people smoke some weed and get all chill and happy. Other people, if they suffer an otherwise undetected disposition, will have terrible psychological reactions to the drug.

This obviously isn't scientific, but when I was a bit younger I had an experience with pot that I'll share. Obviously I'd grown up knowing two things: Weed is illegal, and it's illegal for no reason at all. Even teachers had "admitted" that weed wasn't dangerous. I had lots of friends who smoked, I had family members who smoked. So, I gave it a shot. Worst experience of my life. Turns out, my mind doesn't deal with the psychotropics. I learned later, when I was in college, that around 10% of people will have a reaction similar to mine. For us, weed creates a bit of temporary phsychosis that could be extremely dangerous for both ourselves and those around us.

10% isn't much, and I don't know that I've suffered any long-term effects (who knows?), but it's certainly not the image that the pro-pot crowd creates for their personal drug of choice. And, now that I've got kids of my own, I really don't appreciate at all the false security that people create for my kids in experimenting with drugs. I work hard to tell them there are a lot of impressionable people out there who will believe whatever they hear which bolsters their own beliefs, and that pot heads probably aren't the people to seek knowledge from anyway, but it would be easier if you guys would just buy your pot and smoke it quietly instead of lying about the safety of your drug.

Re: What's the big deal?
by KevDurden

Half of our prison population is in there because of marijuana. Those nonviolent offenders are overcrowding our prisons and coming out with a propensity to commit violent crimes, REAL crimes with REAL victims. They are beaten, raped, and often killed in prison.

On top of that, their belongings are confiscated by the government and sold for profit. and for many of them, the only crime was having a bag of weed.

Explain to me the rational argument for why marijuana should be illegal in the face of legal alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, etc, which also have unpredictable effects per person? Why make one perfectly ok, while simultaneously forcing peaceful people into prisons?

I defy the logic of your post, only because it comes from a stunningly selfish point of view. Your horrible addiction is legal, so it doesn't affect you. What selfish garbage.

As far as lies about the safety of the drug, PROVE that marijuana causes any deaths. Until you do that, your claim is simply ridiculous, and worthy of condescension that FAR exceeds my own. Like a child's fear of the closet-monster that never manifests.

Re: What's the big deal?
by FaxMeBeer

Well, not everything bad (even terrible) causes death. Though, I'm sure that we could link heavy marijuana use with increased chance of lung cancer. Let's see.

Alright, fifteen seconds on Google gives this:

the following comes from Harvard:

Though Marijuana is often cited as a potential therapeutic drug, Harvard says that it's actually an immunosupressant that can aggravate diseases of the respiratory system, "For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients." Obviously marijuana isn't the cause of death, any more than tobacco is the cause of death when one dies of lung cancer, but the marijuana has weakened the patient's immune system and allowed their death (in the same way that cigarettes deliver the poisons that lead to cancer).

Further, "Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins, including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections. This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to some of the same results as smoking cigarettes." "It is notable that several reports indicate an unexpectedly large proportion ofmarijuana users among cases of lung cancer and cancers of the oral cavity,pharynx, and larynx."

Pertinent to my personal experience with the drug, "It has been suggested that marijuana is at the root of many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis, panic attacks (one of the very conditions it is being used experimentally to treat), flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, and uncontrollable aggressiveness. Marijuana has long been known to trigger attacks of mental illness, such as bipolar (manic-depressive) psychosis and schizophrenia. This connection with mental illness should make health care providers for terminally ill patients and the patients themselves, who may already be suffering from some form of clinical depression, weigh very carefully the pros and cons of adopting a therapeutic course of marijuana."

As for your victim mentality regarding the criminals in prison, I'll say a couple of things. First, these people didn't steal bread to feed their families. They chose to do something which the new was illegal, and they're paying for it. Draconian, perhaps, but they certainly aren't any sort of victim. If you don't want to go to jail, don't do illegal drugs. If you can't be happy without drugs, then your doctor can prescribe you all manner of legal chemicals with which you can hide from the realities of the world. Second, it's unlikely that many people are in prison for a bag of pot. In most jurisdictions a recreational amount of the drug is going to get you a ticket. I'm sure you can show examples of guys who've been made examples of, and I could show you examples of guys who've got busted with relatively large amounts and served little or no time.

Re: How long Must We Study Marijuana?
by Sara Mack (Obama)

absolutley right.

The war on drugs (pot at least) is never going to end. The government needs to think about legallizing, and making some cash off of it, instead of spending millions of dollars each year trying to prevent it.

I still think the only reason Marijuana isn't legal, is because the government wouldnt be able to tax it, and people could still just grow their own.

Re: Not to mention
by Sara Mack (Obama)
Pot doesnt cause cancer
Sure it does
by FaxMeBeer

Marijuana smoke has the same toxin in it that has been shown to cause cancer in cigarette smokers. It also weakens the immune system, and can cause pshycosis in some users. Prolonged regular use (a joint per day) has long term effects on the bronchial system and short term memory.

I understand that there are those who present propaganda to the contrary because they stand to make a lot of money in the case of legalization, but the impartial research says differently.

Wrong.
by FaxMeBeer

1) No law will ever stop anything. Won't even slow most things down. Whether your talking about drugs or rape, if the legitimacy of the law is whether or not it can stop a particular behavior, then all laws are silly.

2) People could grow their own tobacco, too, but they don't.

3) Why couldn't the government tax marijuana? They can and do. Regardless of it's legal status, if you are in posession of it you should have paid taxes on it. Every state capital will give you a marijuana tax stamp which you should keep with your stash, or else you'll be busted for both posession and tax evasion (most dealers who get long prison terms get it for tax evasion, not posession).

From the state of Kansas: "The fact that dealing marijuana and controlled substances is illegal does not exempt it from taxation. Therefore drug dealers are required by law to purchase drug tax stamps. The drug tax is due as soon as the dealer takes possession of the marijuana or controlled substance. Payment of the drug tax will purchase the drug tax stamps. Attach the stamp to the marijuana and/or controlled substance immediately after receiving the substance. The stamps are valid for 3 months. Drugs seized without stamps or having expired stamps may result in criminal or civil penalties which may include fines, seizure of property or liens against real estate. A dealer is not required to give his/her name or address when purchasing stamps and the Department is prohibited from sharing any information relating to the purchase of drug tax stamps with law enforcement or anyone else. Purchasing drug tax stamps does not make possession of drugs legal." <link>

Correction.
by FaxMeBeer
Not every State will sell you a tax stamp, only ten do. Which means that illegal drugs aren't taxed in those states. However, any proceeds from the sell of drugs are still legally required to be reported on one's Federal tax returns regardless of what State they live in.
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