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OK, place your bets
by genedio

Not on who's going to win in November, but by how much.

I'm guessing Obama wins by 54-46.

I'm in good company.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Forget about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright or John McCain's war record. If you tell me how the economy is doing now, I'll tell you who will be president next January. Unfortunately for John McCain's chances, the economy is very weak, and almost everything else is going against him as well, which means Barack Obama will almost certainly be elected president. That's the view of the overwhelming majority of social scientists who make it their business to peer into the future. With four months to go until Election Day, the outcome is set in stone, barring some sort of miracle, they say. The poor state of the economy, the casualties in Iraq, the unpopularity of George W. Bush, the current polling, and Obama's own political skills all point to the election of the Illinois Democrat in November, according to several political scientists, historians and economists who've had a pretty good track record in predicting past elections. According to their models, it won't be close. Most of them are projecting a 52% to 48% victory for Obama, and that's with assumptions about the economy that are very kind to McCain. Political scientists noted long ago that presidential elections are fairly predictable because they usually turn on several big issues: How's the economy doing? Is there an unpopular war? Has one party outlived its welcome at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Is one of the candidates a once-in-a-generation leader? Has the current administration done anything outstanding, or scandalous? It's Obama There's a whole cottage industry of experts who develop statistical models based on past elections and crunch the numbers to try to predict November's vote now. Almost all of the models say Obama will win. What actually happens during a campaign -- the ads, the debates, the whistle-stop tours, the endorsements and the innuendo - don't really change the basic landscape that will determine who's in and who's out. In most of the models, it doesn't even matter much who the candidates are, any Democrat and Republican would do as well. Of course, all these models assume that this year's campaign will be pretty much like those in the past. A major gaffe or stumble by Obama, or superb campaign by McCain could change the dynamics. So could outside events that alter the election landscape. This election could challenge the models' accuracy, for several reasons. It's unclear how much Obama's race will influence voters; we've never had an African-American as a major candidate before. And, for the first time since 1952, no incumbent president or vice president is running. McCain could expose flaws in the models if he's able to distance himself from Bush enough. Most of the models assume that the voters will reward or punish the incumbent party candidate in line with how the incumbent has performed. What the models say The granddaddy of the prediction models is American University historian Allan Lichtman's 13 keys to the White House, which include factors such as the economy, foreign policy, scandals, social unrest and even the charisma of the candidates. No one's been elected president since 1860 without holding most of the keys to victory. By Lichtman's reckoning, seven of the 13 keys are leaning against McCain, and that doesn't even count on Obama being considered charismatic, or on the economy falling into a recession this year. Since polls show the vast majority of voters think the economy is in a recession, we ought to hand Obama that key as well. Perceptions matter more than the technical declaration of a recession. Yale economist Ray Fair has been at this game a long time too. His model is based on three economic variables, and now predicts McCain will get 48% of the votes. Fair's model had done a good job through the 1988 election, but has drifted further from the actual results in recent contests. You can plug in your own assumptions about the economy and make your own predictions on Fair's website. Go here. Economist Douglas Hibbs expanded on Fair's idea by including a war variable, which hurts the incumbent party if there are significant casualties in an undeclared war. Hibbs' "Bread and Peace" model explains Eisenhower's victory in 1952 and Nixon's win in 1968. The unpopular war could also be a factor in 2008, but the weak economy is a much bigger reason why the Republicans are likely to get just 48% of the votes this year. Political scientist Alan Abramowitz of Emory University says his "Time for a Change" model is forecasting a Democratic landslide of about 54% to 46%. But Abramowitz doesn't think it'll be that much of a blowout because there are fewer true independents these days. "Support for the two major parties has solidified as the parties and their supporters have become increasingly divided along ideological lines," Abramowitz said. "Growing polarization may weaken the effects of short-term forces such as the economy and presidential approval." The approval rating of the president is one of three variables in Abramowitz's model. There are other ways of looking ahead to November, including electronic markets, polls, the opinions of experts, and even physical characterisitics, such as height and attractiveness. Political scientist James Campbell of the University of Buffalo and a few colleagues have created a system that combines several forecasting methods into one. According to the analysis on the Pollyvote.com website updated on Wednesday, McCain is expected to get 47.4% of the two-party vote, the lowest his expected vote has been all year. Read more. The Pollyvote prediction includes the quantative models of Fair and Hibbs, along with the forecasts of an expert panel, the results of the Iowa Electronic Market, and an average of published opinion polls. The Iowa market has been shown to outperform the pollsters. In that market, anyone can buy contracts that pay off according to the percentage won by each candidate. As of Wednesday, the market is predicting McCain will get 44.1% of the votes, which is the lowest expected for the Republican candidate in the two-year history of that contract. Marketing professor J. Scott Armstrong of the Wharton business school doesn't buy the notion that elections necessarily turn on serious issues such as war and peace. In a recent paper, Armstrong and his colleagues found that the perceptions of people who knew nothing about the candidates except their facial appearance did a better job of predicting the outcomes of both the Democratic and Republican primaries than polls published last fall did. But once again, the news for McCain isn't good: The study found that, based on their faces alone, people think Obama is more competent than McCain.
Another Prediction
by justoffal
The North American Union which is already up and running will continue to ignore national interests of the United States in favor of the new, more continental nation. Hundreds of thousands of hopeful voters will expect Barak Obama to perform miracles that he will not be able to produce because the Oval Office has been relegated to second rate Status by the new Continental Government. Gasoline will continue to rise due to reckless asset management governed by market forces in addition to increasing demand while the Washington mouthpieces continue to spew promises that will never see the light of day. The clueless electorate will pat themselves on the back for putting a change leader into the Oval office while nothing of any consequence changes at all. The corporate lords of this nation and this continent will tighten their grip on the money, the authority and the assets leaving an increasing number of those who make less than 350k annually in the cold. By the time BO leaves the Oval Joke Office you will be paying five dollars for a Big Mac until you have to pay twenty two Ameros for it.
Re: Another Prediction
by genedio

By the time BO leaves the Oval Joke Office you will be paying five dollars for a Big Mac.

It's important to bear in mind that under George W Bush oil prices went up by a factor of almost eight, and Bush also signed bills devoting food production to Ethanol. Virtually nothing you can lay odds against Obama could you not also blame Bush for, and unlike Obama, Bush has actually acted to harm this nation. Similarly, a stronger case could be laid against McCain, who would deficit spend much more than Obama, due to his continued Iraq occupation and tax cuts for those over $350K types. Plus, Obama may halt the anti-constitutional trend of the last seven years and appoint reasonable judges. He seems to be attuned to a wider swathe of the electorate than do the Republicans--as usual.

Good cop/bad cop, you know.

The miracles bit is overdone. At most he's JFK, and JFK had his seamy side.

The part I disagree with you about is that nothing of any consequence will change at all. Bush changed the nation, mostly for ill, but he changed it nonetheless.

Oh sure.... I think that most of the
by justoffal

suffering we are doing is because of Bush that miserable corporatist fuck...what I am saying is that for all of his good intentions I don't think Obama or any one else for that matter can stop the destruction express. It has too much momentum and too much authority and money behind it.

jo

OK, I'll play: Obama 55-45
by tartuffe

(clarifying we're talking about partitioning the two-party vote between them, i.e., percentage breakdown after tossing Nader et al. votes)

Actually, I think you probably grabbed the best bet. My first (probably more realistic) inclination was to go just under your prediction (i.e., 53-47), but, heck, why not take the optimistic side, since I'm not actually risking anything here?

Re: OK, I'll play: Obama 55-45
by genedio

Not risking anything? Of course I'm talking popular votes.

We can just refer back to this post, dated July 4th after the election to see how FOS we really were.

54/46 doesn't seem like a landslide to me; Bush/Dukakis came in about that. Real landslides were Reagan/Mondale (59/41), Nixon/McGovern and LBJ/Goldwater (61/39).

Re: OK, place your bets
by LaurieAnnM

Barack 48%-McCain 49% Nader 2% Barr 1%

Obama's been solidly stuck at 48% for weeks, really. I don't see him ever gaining ground from this point on, in light of his new image as the spineless, changeling candidate.

McCain continues to steadily plod along like he did in the primary and like the 'Tortoise and the Hare' Fable of old, his slow ,steady manner will likely see him end up the winner, when all is said and done.

And when the silly, foolish imagery of Obama as the next 'Savior of the World 'hoopla becomes even more solidified in the populus' minds for the huge joke and fakery that it is, not so many follower types will jump on or stay on that silly Obama train. (especially, the very fickle and pre-occupied with their own lives, naive', youth voters. They've been pretty quiet lately,eh?.Seems they've already found other things like the next best I-Pod or I-Phone to play with,perhaps.)

Besides, I was looking at an electoral map yesterday and realized all McCain has to really worry about getting is Ohio and he wins.

He won't need Colorado or Montana or Iowa.

He also should take Michigan..but it isn't imperative to win either.

As long as he gets his solid red states, which he will, plus Ohio,and Florida he will win.

And I don't think that is going to be all that tough for him to manage.

He must know that ,too as he is appearing in Ohio on July 7th. and has lots more dates scheduled there coming up.

Re: OK, place your bets
by Schmutzie

Obama- 297
McCain-241

He'll get what Kerry got, plus Iowa, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, and perhaps Alaska or Colorado, and hell maybe even the Hoosiers will get on board and turn this into a rout.

It was complicated electoral math, so I consulted this guy.

Re: OK, place your bets
by NickD

Obama 50.5%

Mccain 48%

Blank, third party 1.5%

Its going to be close for very many reasons.

Don't forget Montana
by ducadmo
New Mexico, and maybe Virginia.
Re: Don't forget Montana
by Schmutzie
Ohio isn't a done deal either. Then again, Michigan may go the other way.
Re: OK, place your bets
by BFD
You may be right. GWB got 48% in 2000. Bob Dole and Ross Perot got 48% between them in 1996. Barack Obama's campaign has registered millions of new voters and continues to do so. If they turnout in huge numbers that could change things.
Obama 53.9999999, McCain 46.0
by Archaeopteryx
You know, Sarvis is voting for Nader.
Obama's campaigning in North Dakota...
by Archaeopteryx
....while McCain is in Arizona. I think that may tell you everything you need to know about this election.
Axelrod, Plouffe, Jarrett
by ducadmo
and Genachowski - I have never seen Democrats put together such an awesome team. Maybe Reagan had something close, but not since Bradley and Patton have there been such diverse personalities focused so clearly on a common cause.
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