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Presidential Importance
by antbad

The Writer of this article implied that in his speech, Barak Obama told the American people that when he is sworn into office on January 20, 2009, he will immediately reverse the ailing economy, but when you really listen to Obama's speeches you will hear that he tells us that, "all of this will take time, patients and a whole lot of work on the part of the American people.

He goes on to say that a reversal of the economy may not be attainable in his first term in office, which further tell voters not to expect him to clean up overnight, the many mistakes from the last 8 years that Bush was in office.

So as a kind reminder to the writer of this article, Mr. Daniel Gross, i must say that the American People are smart enough to know that any person who is signed into Office as President on Jan.20, 2009 may not be able to achieve any of his goals, on their first day in office.

thank you!

antbad.

Re: Presidential Importance
by womenandchildren

the trouble is the crooked politicuans that cover up the crooked wokers on the payroll of headstarts, nursing homes, assisted livings. group homes, college coruses both online and on campus such as roane state communty college. pellissippi state community colleg and of course the university of tennessee wtih big salary fake coches and most important fake deans that allow this to happen aned also fake lottery money that the surgeont never gets but is flnked out even though they make a b and c grades. that happened to me i shouldn know and may other tennessee young people also many many real nurses that wanted to improve their kmnowlege and other emppliee spomsored classes sich as tva and other suchgm,motrola rement this happened to friend in chicago illinois carol stream illinois and also elgin to get their retirment and also in detroit to get his retirement for gm this is called elary retiirement the employer never gets his reirement nor hois pension but pays taxes this also is happening now to the bell company people it happened to my ex husband john west in knoxville tennessee and brimmingham alabama.jackie goss another fake one who was quarterback but never could even throw the ball alabama does this a lot and uses a lot of running backs.

stop this toxic water and food in the lunchrooms and here in antioch everywhere i shop such as kroger and walmart and fast food resturants before everyone is too sick to evn vote

Re: Presidential Importance
by Thevail

"fake coches and most important fake deans that allow this to happen aned also fake lottery money that the surgeont never gets but is flnked out even though they make a b and c grades. that happened to me i shouldn know"

Um..IF you went to college..I can certainly see why they "flnked" you.

GET A DICTIONARY, please.

Now, back on topic.

The next presidency..will not be a glorious prize joyously won.

It will be the political equivalent of a flaming bag of dog-poop on your front step.

We're in two wars, a major recession, a housing crisis, and we're in the middle of a series of natural disasters almost as bad as the "dust bowl" era.

Congress is the most bitterly divided, hyper-partisan mess it's been in over 50 years.

Oh, and don't forget to add to that a budget deficit and a trade deficit so unimaginably huge that it will take literally DECADES to fix either.

And never mind our "standing and respect" in the global community, there isn't much of it left intact after the last 8 years.

I really don't think ANY president, not even Thomas Jefferson himself, could fix this in a single term, and I'm not sure it's possible even in two.

But I do know that the LAST thing we need John McCain as president.

His plan is another war with Iran, and to keep paying Blackwater and KB and R (aka Halliburton) ridiculous amounts of money for very little service while we grossly underpay and neglect our own troops and bankrupt America, nor can we afford 4 more years of "de-regulating" crucial industries like health insurance.

Remember that they "de-regulated" power companies (Enron comes to mind)

Then they "de-regulated" the lending industry..(sub-prime mortgage crisis, anyone)

They also "de-regulated" the credit industry, (and we all know how well that's working out don't we.)

The challenges that America and Americans face right now won't be quickly solved by anyone. But they can easily be quickly made a hell of a lot worse, by not at least beginning to address them immediately.

Hogwash
by Sakura

"but when you really listen to Obama's speeches you will hear that he tells us that, "all of this will take time, patients and a whole lot of work on the part of the American people"

No, of you really listen, what you here is "I am going to buy you this and this and this and that, and oh yeah, that too...but don't worry, I'll make the wealthy pay for it all". Not once does he ask for a drop of sacrifice from the vast vast majority of Americans.

Last winter, I had the most amazing experience. I was discussing politics with a left-leaning friend of mine, and she said something that left me almost speechless - she said that she supported a program very much and that her own taxes should be raised to pay for it. To this day, this remains the only time in my life I have heard a real, normal, non-gazillionaire Democrat say their own taxes should be raised. After catching my breathe, I congratulated her on being the first logically-consistent, non-hypocritical member of the left I have ever met.

All right
by smelly

Do you know any non-hypocritcal members of the right?

What about logically consistent?

We need to pay our way, the deficit needs to disappear.We actually need government programs.Reality dictates how we deal with this.Tax hikes may just be the ticket, the economy grew well in the 90's.

Re: All right
by JackHughes
Paying taxes at a rate we need to pay, rather than at a rate we want to pay, has become a radical concept.
Re: All right
by Sakura

Sure, quite a few in fact. They are willing to have government programs slashed significantly, including ones they presumably benefit from as much as anyone, such as social security.

Still
by smelly

That doesn't mean that they are logical or unhypocritical.Most of the right you are referring to support the war in iraq which is completely off of the budget.They also like to count social security income and trust fund as part of the general fund.

I think a lot of tax cut rhetoric is just that.Most people like they way it sounds but don't understand the implications.So lets do away with public schools, transportation support and turn everything over to free enterprise.Lets see how long it takes for us to be like Zimbabwe.

Re: Still
by Sakura

Most Republicans who supported the war understood it would not be free and were willing to pay for it by cuts in other programs. That is logically consisent, whether or not it is a good idea.

Whining about the state of the poor and labelling Republicans greedy, while not opening your OWN DARNED WALLET is simply hypocritical. It is even worse once you consider all the studies that show conservatives donate far more of their time and a far higher fraction of their income to private charity than liberals as well. Indeed, all the blather by liberals is likely a direct result of their desire to hide their greed....as if yapping somehow can make up for a lack of action.

Re: Still
by juswaitin

all the studies that show conservatives donate far more of their time and a far higher fraction of their income to private charity than liberals

Citations please.

Re: Still
by smelly
Just a minute, in terms of charitable giving, if you take out contributions to one's own church, the conservatives are very tight with their money.
Indefensible
by smelly

You don't really believe your own rhetoric do you?

How much and what programs do you think they cut, and why is the thought even a good idea?

You haven't responded to my post at all.

Re: Still
by Thevail

@Sakura Please understand the demographics involved a bit better before you post.

There are certainly many RICH conservatives who support cutting other programs to pay for this war. But then they have quite a bit more money than the average person don't they? I don't suppose John McCain would be financially destroyed if he didn't get his social security check. Michael Bloomberg likewise will really not feel the pinch if his benefits get cut.

But those "hardworking, blue-collar, republican leaning people in states like W. Va. and Kentucky..not so much. They'll kick, scream and holler if you cut "their" social programs.

Go ahead..all you brave Republicans stand up and tell them you're slicing medicare, medicaid, and social security to balance the budget and pay for the war..I dare you. And those are the BIG 3 that account for about 40%+ of the ENTIRE budget.

But many OBAMA supporters are upper middle class to lower upper class and beyond in terms of income. Those people that you've all been so busy calling "rich elitists" ARE the ones who will pay for all of this under Obama's plan.

Yep, Will Smith, Scarlet Johanson, Stephen Colbert, John Stewart, Warren Buffett, Theresa Heinz Kerry, Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will all see THEIR TAXES raised under his plan.

So before you go calling people hypocrits ( I understand, it's a knee-jerk Republican thing) perhaps you should actually look at a few FACTS and actually stop and THINK about them.

Re: All right
by bluekansasgirl
Sakura:

Sure, quite a few in fact. They are willing to have government programs slashed significantly, including ones they presumably benefit from as much as anyone, such as social security.

Yeah, but are they actually dependent on these programs for survival? I'd be willing to slash spending on government programs that benefited me if I didn't think anyone else needed them, but I know that some people do. Social Security, for example: someone who's made enough money their whole life to have saved enough to retire on or had the good fortune to work for a company that provides a pension fund may be sorry to see their SS check stop coming, but they're not going to starve. Someone who may have made less money might starve if the SS check stops coming.

If I made enough money to have any left over I might be willing to pay more in taxes for a program I thought was really important, although at my income level if my taxes went up I'd probably have to start depending on said social programs to get by. However, if was in the upper 10%, or even the over $250,000 group, I sure as hell wouldn't be whining about how I pay a higher proportion of my income in taxes, because I'd still have an awful lot left over, which is more than an awful lot of other people have.

Re: All right
by juswaitin

while not opening your OWN DARNED WALLET is simply hypocritical.

Fuck off - don't lump me in with your narrow minded crap. You have no idea what I give - in time or money or for how many decades or on how many continents I've given it.

People give as they can with what they have. Some tithe to their church and look no farther - fine. Some give to many charitble org's - fine. Some do both - fine. Some do both and pack up and teach for a year for free someplace - fine. Some take their medical skills and save lives - fine.

I've never had anyone I gave time, skills or money to ask if I was a liberal or a conservative.

They just said thanks and I said you're welcome.

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