It's time for Americans to shit or get off the gun pot. Let all Americans have all the different types of guns. The Constituion says so. All the other rules, laws, policies dont apply. Then when there are gunfights all over the country and all kinds of people get shot, maybe the country will be ready for a Constitutional Amendment to overrule the second amendment and say that only government authority has the right to bear arms.

Untill then, let's carry .45's while going shopping. There is no other alternative.

For all the snarky sarcasm, you are actually correct. What you're ignoring is that anyone who fires off a shot in a crowded area, if surrounded by other armed people, will promptly be neutralized.

How can anybody ignore the reality that a person motivated to kill people will not let a gun control statute stand in their way? If someone is going to commit a violent crime, they are not going to suddenly respect a registration law or prohibition. The logical leap that somehow guns will cease to exist if a ban were in place is stunningly naive, and too dangerous to be enacted into law.

...that there is no sarcasm involved. it's the truth of the matter, as absurd as it is.

what is absurd?

1. the highest court in the land, we're talking people with academic educations spanning decades, is intellectually unable to interpret a poorly written sentence from over 200 years ago.

2. the most powerful, most wonderful, most everything land ever created in the past or in the present or in the future, needs to uphold a law that talks about militias and keeping guns in their homes to form a militia because we dont trust the american government or other americans to do the right thing. This, shortly put, is sick.

3. why anyone would want a firearm to protect themselves speaks volumes of the paranoia of the american population. in real life reality, someone can be knifed to death before they can even say 'oh shit' or draw their gun.

4. that americans feel so unsafe from each other that they need to rely on a gun for self-protection instead of 911 and the authorities. it speaks volumes about the depravity of the american culture. somewhere in this ball of paranoia are the the country's criminal laws and enforcement of those. americans know that half the country should really be doing 10-20 in the penitentiary. gun ownership is the only thing that keeps them sane. that is a sad sad sad situation.

Point #1 I believe they did just interpret it but I get the feeling you don't like their interpretation.

Point# 2 Our Founding Fathers were just as worried about tyrants overseas as they were within our own borders. Removing weapons from the people, makes them more vulnerable to the government if only the government is allowed to have weapons. Apparently they felt this was so important as to include it in the Bill of Rights. According to you they were.... "sick."

Point #3 Some people have been the victimis of violent crime, know someone who has, and thus seeks some protection. The fact that you don't think you have time (when you actually do) shows that you haven't handled a firearm and don't know what you are talking about. Someone who knows how to use a fire arm if they needed it, could have it from concealment to on target easily in less than 2 seconds.

Point #4 The police and 911 come after the fact.

Fine, you don't like the second amendment, it's a free country. It is the 2nd Amendment. You want change, 1.) move to a country without the freedom to bear arms. 2.) Petition your congressman to amend/change the constitution.

and its not a matter of liking or disliking the second amendment. i happen to 'like' the second amendment while my adult judgement says it's crap. it's crap the way it was written. it's crap the way it was inteded. i KNOW why the writers put it in there. it's because between 1776 and 1812 America had practically no standing army and for defense relied on minute men, militia. The amendment was a way so that no political power could regulate gun ownership, which would have directly regulated the force/military structure of the land. the military and country have changed hugely since then. no one debates that.

what is a real problem though, is that the american mind, like yours, is unable to work today's reality. that is sick.

Canexican, Can I please expound on you well written rebuttal?

Intersurfa, you state in point #3 that a person could be knifed to death before he could pull their gun, but then question why someone wouldn't rely on 911 and the authorities. Because I would be dead if I just relied on the authorities. And yes I could be stabbed to death, but my asailiant will also be dead, but my family will be alive and from my point of view that is worth having a handgun to protect them. And as Canexican stated 911 and the authorities are for after the fact.

Also reread your history. The Founding Father were extremely sure the federal government would become corrupt and that the population would need to be armed to protect themselves from it or to reset it on the correct course. If fact, Thomas Jefferson believed that this would happen in 20-30 year cycles. And stated "...the tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure".

Fine it's crap by your judgement. Accept that other people don't think like you, and work through the system (aka your elected representatives) to get the system changed. I don't think you are sick or deranged, you have a different opinion than mine. I certainly don't find you mentally ill or somehow other defective. You are injecting emotion into a document that is the Constitution. If the 2nd amendment is against what the people of this counrty want (since it exists to protect the people.) then there should be no problem getting it changed through the means of the Constitution.

Let me be more clear. Regardless of whether it was important at the time and it is not now ( a point we disagree on), it was put in the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment. IT wasn't passed as a federal law that the govt. will leave things alone it was included in the document of the freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc. It is placed there intentionally, on purpose so that it would be very difficult to remove by the government. Perhaps some people in this country have a different opinion on the freedom of the press or the freedom of religion, etc. they are welcom to their opinions, and if they wish they can organize under the freedom to assemble (provided that Constitutional right still stands.) to voice that opinion and have the Constitution changed. The system isn't broken or sick, you just happen to disagree with one of it's provisions. Perhaps more people would see your point of view if there was more logic to your argument and less emotion.

I'm not sure if I clicked the right button... what intrigued me was the title "Lives vs. Bullshit" and it seems someone thinks 2A is BS.

The right to keep and bear arms pre-existed the Constitution. The right does not come from government. The right has been shown throughout history to be key to the maintenance of any republic. Some people may think the right is a topic for discussion. Well, it's not, it's a fact, and lucky for us the Supreme Court saw it that way.

No, the Constitution doesn't say that any and all types of guns may be carried whenever and wherever by whomever. There are limits which remain constitutional.

Yesterday's ruling, for the first time, explicitly confirmed that the 2nd Amendment allows individuals, referred to as "the people" in that Amendment, and not just "well regulated militia(s)" do have a right to gun ownership.

There are all sorts of caveats to this. It is still constitutional to keep psychotics and and felons and others from having guns (if we can). It still doesn't allow you to carry a gun on a plane, etc.

The United States is not going to suddenly erupt in gun battles because of yesterday's ruling.

And the Constitution isn't bullshit. If we want to change the Consitution and remove the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, then let's go through the Constitutional process and do it. Until then let's respect the Constitution as it is written rather than trying to worm around the obvious rights it gives citizens (or rather, the limits on government it states).

Gun grabbing libs clamor for all guns to be banned. But what they NEVER explain is HOW they’d implement their utopian fantasy of a perfect world free of guns. Yes: In a Perfect world there would also be no crime, violence, war, poverty, disease, hunger, income taxes, lawyers & politicians, gas would once again be 25 cents a gallon & there’d be no email spam. Well, perhaps the last is a bit much to hope for. But we don’t live anywhere near Perfect. Its not even on the map. So again I present this challenge to these dreamers. Explain how you’d implement this fantasy, short of rescinding the 2ed Amd. And to do this all you need is to get 75% of the States to vote for it. Thats 38 States, of which 34 are strongly Pro 2nd Amendment Red States. Then you need two thirds of both the House & Senate to vote for it and finally a Presidential endorsement. And the last time one of the Bill of Rights was rescinded was only in your wet dreams? So Lotsa luck. HA HA HA HA.... LMAO. Ive presented this challenge to hundreds of gun grabbers like you over the years. NONE have ever been able to effectively answer it, and I challenge anyone to do so to now. And once again we hear you Socialist wet dreamers Morons only the deafening roar of................SILENCE!

And regards to carrying a .45 to go shopping: Yes. I always do. I never go anywhere without my Glock.

Intersurfa: Are you telling me that it is unreasonable to mistrust the government? This is the government that thinks that torture is just dandy, that habeus corpus is a nuisance to good government, and that invading foreign countries is not only OK, but a cause for congratulation...(!?) I think you might feel right at home in Zimbabwe, as long as you're in with the right crowd, of course. disigny

Nice try jackass! The Left tried that argument when Florida passed shall-issue concealed carry, and what happened? Crime went down!!! Now that 38 states have shall-issue concealed carry, it begs the question, why aren't there gun fights at the mall, at the grocery store, at traffic lights? Because your entire argument that more law abiding citizens with guns equals more crime is what passes for bullshit to any thinking person. Now chew on that you half-wit!!

The gun lobby never ceases to amaze me. America has more gun crime per capita than any other developed nation. Their answer to solve this problem? More guns of course lol. Astonishing. Or you could look at Europe where it's illegal to carry handguns and in most countries, like Britain, illegal to own them. The result is very little gun crime and a much lower murder rate.

So, let me get this straight, you think crime is fine, but gun crime is not? I guess you can feel better when the murderer sticks his knife in you because he didn't shoot you. And you think Britain is such a lovely place do you? I just heard on the BBC World Service this morning that two foreign students were found stabbed to death in their London apartment and the killer set the place on fire when he was done with them. But you're right about one thing, they weren't shot! Maybe if those poor bastards had had a gun, they wouldn't have even been stabbed, but then we'll never know because Britain has no guns and is a "safe" country. Did you ever think that the blame for the insane crime rate we have here could be placed on inner city gangs battling each other for corners to sell crack from, or on the people who have to knock over convenience stores and rob people on the street for money to buy drugs? No because that would require you to step out of the liberal paradigm and consider that people are responsible for their actions and that the inanimate objects they use are mere extensions of their criminal will.