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Another Attack
by MitchK

Someone please explain to me how this works: if there are no more 9-11 style terrorist attacks before election day, the Republicans will trumpet this as a victory for the war on terror, and this will be good for McCain. On the other hand, if there is another terrorist attack, this will also be good for McCain? So no matter what happens, it's good for McCain?

(I realize there have been other attacks since 9-11, but somehow, no one counts those...I guess we're only talking about attacks on US soil with a massive number of deaths.)

Okay
by daveto

It's over. The guy's an asshole. He was repudiated by his boss. Move on.

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Just by the by, it's a stupid question. If the topic is terrorism, it helps McCain. That's not hard to understand, is it?

Re: Another Attack
by Sgt_ROCK

One things for sure....we all know what the left would be saying if there was another domestic attack........please, drop the high and mighty pose, lefties......

Not Okay
by MitchK

This subject comes up from time to time, and has been coming up since about, oh, 9-11-2001 if I'm not mistaken. It was always stated that another attack would rally the country behind Bush, whatever they thought of him at the moment. But then Bush, and his supporters, were always touting the fact that there have been no further attacks.

Let's not pretend that Charlie Black had a brain fart. This is Republican stock-in-trade. And I wanted someone to explain it to me. "If the topic is terrorism, it helps McCain"? Stupid me, I still don't get it.

But you may move on.

Just Asking
by MitchK
for the right to explain. High and mighty?
Oh
by daveto

You're retarded. you should have said something. Maybe ask the editors for a little sticker to put beside your nic.

People don't chose their candidate in a vacuum. There's a reason they pick one guy over the other. It might be they're concerned about the economy, maybe they don't like little babies being murdered, maybe they think that Muslims want to take over the world and then America.

If the most important thing for people is worrying about the Muslims (i.e. terror), they will pick McCain. It doesn't matter if the threat is real or imagined, current or future, what matters is that thinking about it is occupying a goodly portion of their brains. Then they will pick McCain. In that respect, of course, you are also picking (helping) McCain.

Forgive Me
by MitchK

It just seems to me that another terrorist attack would be different than no terrorist attack. One event would cause people to feel that the policies that may have led to the attack have failed. And the other would cause them to feel that these policies have worked. If both would cause people to feel the same, then something is wrong. McCain seems to think that the policies are just fine, so he should be rewarded by one event and penalized by the other. Assuming that people "don't chose [sic] their candidates in a vacuum".

Re: Another Attack
by julieboomer
if we were honest, it would be pointed out that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch after 50+ warnings came in from around the world and from our own intel.....and as the 9/11 commission concluded: BushCo did nothing. the public was not warned.
false dichotomy
by baltimore aureole

the election isn't going to be decided by whether or not there's another massacre of innocent civlians, as much as this notion apparently appeals to some . . .

rather, we have to wait for the osama bin laden endorsement.

("a vote for the jew-loving, war mongering mccain will only deepen your misery, america. vote for obama, and i will let your children live . .. .")

Re: Forgive Me -- lol!
by daveto

I love that, "don't chose", it has a ring to it.

Thanks for that Richard Lewis anecdote, by the way. I do love the guy. I think just like every guy goes through the stage that he wants to be a superhero (Seinfeld), same for comedian, and that's the kind of thing they see themselves doing, just riffing with some other guy, one great line after the next.

Re McCain, logic doesn't matter. The more we talk about terror, the more we like Republicans. (Exhibit X*)

* that's 4 or 4, the other's easily found: "Is America Safer With a Republican President?" before 29-71, after 46-54 (what you'd see if you could watch it backwards)

Enemy endorsements
by MitchK
are useless, because then comes the second-guessing: trying to figure out whether the enemy endorsement was "sincere" or whether they were trying reverse psychology. Bush has been the best friend Bin Laden ever had, and something tells me he'd prefer to go with the American president who will further his cause.
Logic doesn't matter
by MitchK

is the answer. I believe that was my main point...or main frustration, anyway.

On Richard Lewis: it's such a pleasure to watch him bounce off Larry David, knowing that they are doing an improv (watch for the not-so-hidden grins as they go).

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i didn't see too much
by baltimore aureole

second guessing last time around (2004)

bin laden was right up front that he preferred kerry.

the media was still sympathetic to kerry's platform

does anyone really believe that bin laden would have disarmed, or changed his policies, based on american election?

article "your brain lies to you"
by daveto
I was wrong/incomplete. (It's all perfectly logical.)
June 27, 2008
Op-Ed Contributor, nytimes.com Your Brain Lies to You By SAM WANG and SANDRA AAMODT

FALSE beliefs are everywhere. Eighteen percent of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth, one poll has found. Thus it seems slightly less egregious that, according to another poll, 10 percent of us think that Senator Barack Obama, a Christian, is instead a Muslim. The Obama campaign has created a Web site to dispel misinformation. But this effort may be more difficult than it seems, thanks to the quirky way in which our brains store memories — and mislead us along the way.

The brain does not simply gather and stockpile information as a computer’s hard drive does. Facts are stored first in the hippocampus, a structure deep in the brain about the size and shape of a fat man’s curled pinkie finger. But the information does not rest there. Every time we recall it, our brain writes it down again, and during this re-storage, it is also reprocessed. In time, the fact is gradually transferred to the cerebral cortex and is separated from the context in which it was originally learned. For example, you know that the capital of California is Sacramento, but you probably don’t remember how you learned it.

This phenomenon, known as source amnesia, can also lead people to forget whether a statement is true. Even when a lie is presented with a disclaimer, people often later remember it as true.

With time, this misremembering only gets worse. A false statement from a noncredible source that is at first not believed can gain credibility during the months it takes to reprocess memories from short-term hippocampal storage to longer-term cortical storage. As the source is forgotten, the message and its implications gain strength. This could explain why, during the 2004 presidential campaign, it took some weeks for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign against Senator John Kerry to have an effect on his standing in the polls.

Even if they do not understand the neuroscience behind source amnesia, campaign strategists can exploit it to spread misinformation. They know that if their message is initially memorable, its impression will persist long after it is debunked. In repeating a falsehood, someone may back it up with an opening line like “I think I read somewhere” or even with a reference to a specific source.

In one study, a group of Stanford students was exposed repeatedly to an unsubstantiated claim taken from a Web site that Coca-Cola is an effective paint thinner. Students who read the statement five times were nearly one-third more likely than those who read it only twice to attribute it to Consumer Reports (rather than The National Enquirer, their other choice), giving it a gloss of credibility.

Adding to this innate tendency to mold information we recall is the way our brains fit facts into established mental frameworks. We tend to remember news that accords with our worldview, and discount statements that contradict it.

In another Stanford study, 48 students, half of whom said they favored capital punishment and half of whom said they opposed it, were presented with two pieces of evidence, one supporting and one contradicting the claim that capital punishment deters crime. Both groups were more convinced by the evidence that supported their initial position.

Psychologists have suggested that legends propagate by striking an emotional chord. In the same way, ideas can spread by emotional selection, rather than by their factual merits, encouraging the persistence of falsehoods about Coke — or about a presidential candidate.

Journalists and campaign workers may think they are acting to counter misinformation by pointing out that it is not true. But by repeating a false rumor, they may inadvertently make it stronger. In its concerted effort to “stop the smears,” the Obama campaign may want to keep this in mind. Rather than emphasize that Mr. Obama is not a Muslim, for instance, it may be more effective to stress that he embraced Christianity as a young man.

Consumers of news, for their part, are prone to selectively accept and remember statements that reinforce beliefs they already hold. In a replication of the study of students’ impressions of evidence about the death penalty, researchers found that even when subjects were given a specific instruction to be objective, they were still inclined to reject evidence that disagreed with their beliefs.

In the same study, however, when subjects were asked to imagine their reaction if the evidence had pointed to the opposite conclusion, they were more open-minded to information that contradicted their beliefs. Apparently, it pays for consumers of controversial news to take a moment and consider that the opposite interpretation may be true.

In 1919, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes of the Supreme Court wrote that “the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market.” Holmes erroneously assumed that ideas are more likely to spread if they are honest. Our brains do not naturally obey this admirable dictum, but by better understanding the mechanisms of memory perhaps we can move closer to Holmes’s ideal.

Sam Wang, an associate professor of molecular biology and neuroscience at Princeton, and Sandra Aamodt, a former editor in chief of Nature Neuroscience, are the authors of “Welcome to Your Brain: Why You Lose Your Car Keys but Never Forget How to Drive and Other Puzzles of Everyday Life.”

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