For what outcome do you wish in Afghanistan and Iraq? I ask because I see you enthusiastically top post news stories if the Taliban or other insurgent party makes an appearance here or there. It appears to be a clear attempt to keep hope alive for America's opposition.

Is it that you root against our country when someone other than a Democrat holds the presidency...or do you always root against America versus foreign powers?

I am perfectly capable of grasping the extent of your dislike for Bush and/or the GOP. What I have trouble with is how that intersects or translates to rooting against us in a foreign theater here or there. While I distinctly recall GOP folks who opposed Clinton's Balkan enterprise, I don't remember seeing posts heralding serbian gains versus US and NATO forces at all.

How is it that you consider your conduct legitimate or decent in any way? Regardless of your belief about being "lied into war" or what have you -- how is cheering enemy gains or breathlessly top posting feature stories (rare as they may be) about Taliban resurgence in an obscure corner here or there conducive to resolution?

I think it's just their filthy thoughts....they want to see America lose and fall....

The horrors they wish upon themselves and their loved ones.....

The issue is Bush's strategic blunders and evidence that they are failures. We are under resourced in Afghanistan because of our strategic failures in Iraq.

Taliban resurgence is simply evidence that Bush and the rubber stamp Republicans have made a mess out of a very dangerous situation, and potentially made it worse through ineptitude and going after the wrong people.

Getting out of Iraq, so that we can place our resources where they better serve our goals is absolutely necessary.

Since you bring up the Balkan's, Clinton achieved his goals, both short term and long term using the minimum military options. Bush has mired us in one hell of a tar baby, through the over commitment of US forces in places we shouldn't be.

......altho AWOL GWB has been wishing on Darth Cheneys dark star for "good luck" consequently "success" has been nil

Hmmmm.......you might wanna ask your AWOL GWB/GOPerv Keystone Cops crew what the fuk their "wish" is this week pookie;)

our military will disagree with you.....and GB is sending more troops to Afghanistan to push the taliban back out again....

Stop being such a big baby.....

"The issue is Bush's strategic blunders and evidence that they are failures. We are under resourced in Afghanistan because of our strategic failures in Iraq. Taliban resurgence is simply evidence that Bush and the rubber stamp Republicans have made a mess out of a very dangerous situation, and potentially made it worse through ineptitude and going after the wrong people."

> Rubber stamp Republicans? Haven't they been out of controlling power in Congress for about 2 years now? And...how does this justify the enthusiastic top posts of even miniscule temporary Taliban re-appearance in a corner of Afghanistan? It sure seems to be congratulatory to non-American combatants to me.

"Getting out of Iraq, so that we can place our resources where they better serve our goals is absolutely necessary."

> Does this mean we need to cheer even harder for those our troops are fighting so that they can hurry up and beat us? Now perhaps I begin to understand.

"Since you bring up the Balkan's, Clinton achieved his goals, both short term and long term using the minimum military options. Bush has mired us in one hell of a tar baby, through the over commitment of US forces in places we shouldn't be."

> And righty posters weren't cataloguing/cheering tiny serb battle victories in the larger war either, huh? Go figure.

.Hmmmm....why do we have to "push the taliban back out again": pookie?:)

Iraq: Bring our troops home, leave behind a government that can defend itself even if the situation when we leave remains messy, maintain regional capacity to provide military support if the Iraqi government needs it.

Afghanistan: Reduce poppy production and the narco-economy that fuels terrorism, capture bin Laden, strengthen central government, keep Taliban contained.

Achieving our aims for Iraq will help free up resources to reverse the set-backs Bush is responsible for in Afghanistan.

First of all, I'm not filthy. I am probably a lot cleaner than you. Second, I'm not sure I can be called a leftist, though I think invading Iraq was STUPID. Third, I wish we could leave an economically stable, cleaned up, rebuilt Afghanistan with a democratic government. I wish we could get the Iraqis to make themselves a truly democratic republic (which they have not done) and be able to get the heck out of Iraq without leaving big bases, an oversized embassy or a broken infrastructure behind. Posting that the Taliban is resurgent or that we haven't defeated Tanzeem isn't done to build up the opposition to America, it is to point out that the garbage that has been tried isn't working. You can't just sit back and continue stupid policies forever and pretend they are successful when they aren't and you people keep pretending that the b.s. being put out by this administration is working when it ISN'T. We're trying to look at reality, not pretend all is well. It isn't cheering against America, it is looking at things with clear eyes and realizing that if America is to get out of this with as little damage as possible, we can't pretend things are going well when they aren't.

Nobody is heralding the gains. We are fighting back against the lie that is being promoted by the administration, which is pretending that some sort of "victory" is occurring when such is not only not the case, but isn't even possible in Iraq. In both cases, a clear victory isn't possible, since we aren't fighting a military and there is nobody who will be handing us a signed surrender document. In Afghanistan, at least we are fighting our own real enemy in al Qaeda. In Iraq, there is not a clear reason for us to have invaded in the first place.

Taliban resurgence is bigger than you want to pretend and it is due to our neglect of Afghanistan in favor of messing around in Iraq. We never did do a good job of rebuilding Afghanistan, which is why we now have poppies growing there and warlords continuing to go back and forth changing allegiances to the highest bidder to keep those under them fed and a resurgent Taliban with al Qaeda backing.

....no GOPervs were condemning American efforts from the floor of the senate (sniveling like the weasels they are pookie;)

War is messy business.

In neither Iraq, nor Afghanistan, have American Forces been "close to defeat."

We HAVE been defeated (soundly a few times), in numerous previous conflicts....

However, JUST like in Vietnam, the American Left will call a "Fight" a "clear Defeat" almost every time.

Byt THEIR logic, Mike Tyson would never have "won" a fight, because he took a hit or two....

as "dumbfuck", my semi-literate, contrarian, slang-slathering gimp. You may "sniff', "wanna cookie", "no?", "pookie" and shuck and jive your way out of all posts in attempts to conceal your limitations, but you amuse only your robotic leftist bretheren when you do so. In effect, you preach ebonics to the slothful miscreant choir. It is of no consequence to me.

As for wishing for outcomes in war, one most certainly does. He then takes steps to assure that those aims are realized.

If you aspire to dodge the question, please shoot for greater coherence in so doing.

But we were speaking of (some of us coherently) posting habits.

Based on your response(s) and your generally well-composed thoughts, you do not appear to be a "filthy leftist". You must rather be a liberal.

That's good.

of what is? Geeze. Take a lesson from Kruschev on brevity wouldja?!?