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thanks senator obama (speaking truth to cowards)
by baltimore aureole
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senator obama gets a gold star (and no "obamation" this week) for his eminently sensible observation that fathers should be "more involved" in the upbringing in their kids.

this is something only a black man can say to other black men - if mccain were to try it, he'd probably be criticized by the media as "insensitive" to their past oppression

i will avoid this pitfall (hopefully) and address all (races of) dads who aren't married to the kids' mommies:

  • yep, "get involved" also means paying child support
  • stop fathering kids you have no ability to support
  • are you working today? don't use "getting involved with your kids" as an excuse to stop looking for a job
  • he needs a good example, not a $150 pair of sneakers or a "first shotgun"
  • taking him to the doctor can be a more valid bonding experience than watching the NBA playoffs with him, imho
  • don't tell me that you're univolved because your kid is a daughter. that devalues all women, even more so than making babies and not helping to pay for them
  • if you have kids by 4 different mommas, you're a loser, and just stay away. no kid deserves to have 25% parenting from that kind of dad. (the moms are probably losers too - at least the ones who knew about momma's number 1 and 2)

disclaimer - baltimore aureole is a single mommy with a lot of baggage.

it was a good speech, wasn't it?
by Snolly G

would you be surprised to learn that the content is something he picked up from reverend wright?

Wasted words
by yastfort
for that intent, biologically speaking. You go with what you're good at and emulating white suburbanites ain't it.
It doesn't surprise me anyway, and I'm glad
by Inkberrow
to see Reverend Wright again receiving his due as a crucial influence upon Obama's worldview. After the success of "Audacity" and Obama's early campaign triumphs, I thought Wright's centrality had been cemented, only to see him subsequently marginalized as little more than the guy behind the counter where the Obamas buy their groceries. Still, never let it be said that Obama and Wright are the same---I'm betting that, if asked, Obama, unlike Wright, would agree it's also important for non-black fathers to attend to their responsibilities.
Bill Cosby
by OneEyedJasper

said very similar words a few years ago and was heavily blasted. I'll forgo relaying the unwarranted insults and social opprobrium laid on him.

In your opinion, why the difference? Why are Obama's words so welcome and Cosby's words so rejected?

Well . . .
by thelyamhound

. . . to some degree, being a comedian and being a politician involve the cultivation of two very different kinds of voices. And since Cosby's persona has always involved, to some degree, an element of crankhood (crankitude?), his remarks were more inherently controversial. Comedy, by its nature, courts controversy, where politics seek to avoid it (a rarely successful venture).

I suppose there might be some ageism to the discrepancy in reaction, as well. Being hectored by a an old man who's been artistically obsolete for nigh a decade could well sting a bit more.

That said, I also have to at least suggest that the "similarity" between the remarks ends on that one point. Insofar as Cosby was criticizing absent fathers and rampant materialism, I was with him; insofar as he was trashing urban vernacular an hip-hop culture, he was veering into territory with which I might have some argument. After all, the latter aren't defined entirely by the bling-and-ammo aesthetics of 50-Cent, Jayzee, and the like; there have been acts from Public Enemy and A Tribe Called Quest through the Roots and Dalek that have espoused anti-materialism and underground intellectualism. This is where it's hard for me, at least, not to be a little ageist: It's not much of a stretch to imagine that Obama would be more aware of these nuances than a Cosby, who once all but boasted of the virtue of hating your kids' music in one of his books.

That said, to the degree that Cosby was "blasted" for his remarks, said blasting was surely excessive.

wright vs. farrakhan
by baltimore aureole

i think reverend wright is in the same zone as louis farrakhan, nation of islam founder

both have an antipathy towards non-black americans, but alternatively both offer a message of self reliance, temperance, and hard work.

in the 1950's some politician (i think it was macarthy) announced ("i am against everything the soviets stand for")

and someone responded: "really? you're against public schools, speed limits, eradicating polio, and safe drinking water?"

i don't deplore reverend wright for the sensible points he makes . . . but i'm not going to champion him when he begins to rant about all his ridiculous conspiracy theories and racist stuff, either.

Re: thanks senator obama (speaking truth to cowards)
by NightSwimmer

Above all else -- never blame the mother.

All she did was lie there.

thats kind of how i remember it
by baltimore aureole

i cant find a specific link, but as i recall the controversy wasn't over cosby's message of self reliance - but instead of his deprecating attitude towards people when he delivered.

deprecation works most of the time in humor. it seldom gets votes in politics, however.

thanks for your post

re-wright:
by Snolly G
baltimore aureole:

i don't deplore reverend wright for the sensible points he makes . . . but i'm not going to champion him when he

makes them either.

Re: thanks senator obama (speaking truth to cowards)
by Smarmalade

This nation is coming to the economic stage or life in which all teenagers/very young adults, should have either vasectomies or their tubes tied; and having such containment strategies that can be reversed when they are able to afford and committed to having children, either through wedlock or through inadvertent indulgence.

No ifs ands or butts.

wow - you really believe that?
by baltimore aureole

you really believe that in matters of romance, all the woman does is lie there? how sad (or funny, depending on one's attitude)

or did you mean "lie" as in prevaricate?

in any case, if your sexual partner is just laying there, you should perhaps seek counselling, or an upgrade

yep, and i'm not
by baltimore aureole

championing the KKK when they happen, on rare ocassions, to say something sensible too.

racisim is racism, no matter who advocates it, you know.

involuntary birth control
by baltimore aureole
i think you'd find that if there were mandatory "reversible" vasectormies and tubal ligations, that teens would engage in rampant unprotected sex, and the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases would skyrocket.
english as a second language:
by Snolly G
baltimore aureole:

racisim is racism, no matter who advocates it, you know.

incorrect use of the verb "advocates".

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