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Il Duce redux?
by JanZ

From the wire...

The Italian government has defended its decision to use soldiers to patrol cities in an effort to curb crime, rejecting criticism that it will "militarise" the streets.

"There is a strong call from citizens for better control of the streets, for improved safety," Defence Minister Ignazio La Russa told Sky Italia television.

"My hope is that particularly in the evening, in the cities, these troops can ensure greater safety."

The government announced on Friday that up to 2,500 soldiers, some of whom have served in Afghanistan and Kosovo, would be made available for a trial period of six months to bolster the police in difficult urban areas.

Silvio Berlusconi's new conservative government won an April election on a law-and-order ticket, and crime and public safety have stayed on top of the political agenda since Mr Berlusconi took office.

The government's decision was attacked by the centre-left opposition, with Roberta Pinotti, defence spokesman for the Democratic party, expressing "firm opposition to the militarisation of the streets".

Italy's main trade unions said rather than using soldiers the government should make better use of 25,000 police who are doing desk work, and the mayor of Turin said the move was "populist demagoguery" that would hurt tourism and Italy's image abroad.

"I have only seen soldiers on the streets in Bogota, but there the situation is rather different," Sergio Chiamparino told La Repubblica daily.

Mr La Russa said he did not understand the criticism but specified that the use of soldiers would not be permanent, with the initial six-month period being renewable "just once."

"Very often just seeing a [soldier's] uniform can be sufficient as prevention. I don't see what the problem is," he said.

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Mussolini and the fascists managed to be simultaneously revolutionary and traditionalist;[11][12] because this was vastly different to anything else in the political climate of the time, it is sometimes described as "The Third Way".[13] The Fascisti, led by one of Mussolini's close confidants, Dino Grandi, formed armed squads of war veterans called Blackshirts (or squadristi) with the goal of restoring order to the streets of Italy with a strong hand. The blackshirts clashed with communists, socialists and anarchists at parades and demonstrations; all of these factions were also involved in clashes against each other. The government rarely interfered with the blackshirts' actions, due in part to a looming threat and widespread fear of a communist revolution. The Fascisti grew so rapidly that within two years, it transformed itself into the National Fascist Party at a congress in Rome. Also in 1921, Mussolini was elected to the Chamber of Deputies for the first time.[4]

Re: Il Duce redux?
by JackDallas

I think it is a bad move that sends a negative signal.

Years ago, when I was travelling throughout Central America, I saw that soldiers with rifles were policing the streets and highways of most of the countries there.

It was really strange for an American accustomed to the way it is in this country. Soldiers policing the streets says to me that the country is out of control of the civil authorities.

I was not aware that Italy was as crime infested as this decision seems to indicate.

Jack

The Blackshirts
by Fritz Gerlich
were not soldiers of the Italian army--an institution that never liked Mussolini and mutinied against him in 1943. It's the same difference between a genuine Iraqi national army (which there once was, and might be again) and an ethnic or sectarian militia. The fascisti were a political militia, like the Badr Brigade.
Re: Il Duce redux?
by theNairobiTrio
Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa, Bandiera rossa
Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Evviva il comunismo e la libertà.


Degli sfruttati l’immensa schiera
La pura innalzi, rossa bandiera.
O proletari, alla riscossa
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Il frutto del lavoro a chi lavora andrà.


Dai campi al mare, alla miniera,
All’officina, chi soffre e spera,
Sia pronto, è l’ora della riscossa.
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Soltanto il comunismo è vera libertà.


Non più nemici, non più frontiere :
Sono i confini rosse bandiere.
O comunisti, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Evviva Lenin, la pace e la libertà.



Re: Il Duce redux?
by biteoftheweek

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

-- Bill Adama

The first time I went to the Middle East, I was being driven in from the airport by some friends. When I saw the soldiers with their rifles on the corners, I gasped, and asked, "are you under Marshall Law?"

They laughed. No, that is our police.

2 years of service is compulsary in Jordan, and these guys have to have something to do. So they are the police force

Re: Il Duce redux?
by JanZ

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

-- Bill Adama"

My point exactly

Re: Il Duce redux?
by theNairobiTrio

Marshall Law?

Lord Gawd a mighty - these westerners.

Next thing you know, they're gonna be claimin that Wyatt Earp translated the Roman poet Martial.

Congratulations
by biteoftheweek

you are right about something.

er, Martial Law

Re: Il Duce redux?
by Th Paine
Exactly, and the issue is not necessarily whether they are technically part of the military command or affiliated with private or political entities (eg militias, Fascists etc) -- it is the mind set: of the forces themselves as well as the population at large. It is a matter of those patrolling the streets and the population seeing each other as enemies.
Re: Il Duce redux?
by artandsoul
I think you should translate it into French to include the "redux" part of the top post.
Re: Il Duce redux?
by theNairobiTrio

The French got their own anthem,

It's called the Bouillabaise, or sumthin like that.

Re: Il Duce redux?
by Th Paine
theNairobiTrio:

The French got their own anthem,

It's called the Bouillabaise, or sumthin like that.

Fuck! Damn near blew hot coffee out my nose! Warn me next time.

Re: Il Duce redux?
by theNairobiTrio

Thanks, ThP.

It's so hard for me around here sometimes - no one will admit how funny I really am cause I'm usually busy bein nasty also.

Re: Il Duce redux?
by artandsoul
Oh - the pains and pleasures of paradox.
Re: Il Duce redux?
by theNairobiTrio

Wasn't there a Sonia Braga/Raul Julia movie about that?

Moon Over Paradox ?

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