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Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by Gregor_Samsa
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Anecdotal evidence and prevailing wisdom suggests Hillary Clinton’s run for President has created a deep rift among women, pitting older "second-wavers" against younger "post-feminists". Here’s why I think the twain didn’t meet.

People’s choice of social theory reflects a desire to see themselves in the best possible light. First generation millionaires tend to be ferocious supporters of free markets, since laissez faire philosophy frames their success as a reward for virtue – smarts, hard work, thrift, etc. (as for the Carnegies, Rockefellers and Gates, remember that philanthropy is quite different from supporting taxation as justice).

Leftist sympathies usually emerge among later generations of the rich, since it is much harder to pretend that inherited wealth reflects on one’s personal qualities. In fact, noblesse oblige serves as the best possible form of self flattery when you can no longer brag about industry and talent. Limousine liberals are typically not new money. Economists are too crude in their emphasis on self interest over self image.

One problem every society under transformation has to cope with is the obsolescence of old roles and skills. Those whose social roles get devalued by change are drawn to narratives that portray society as deeply unjust, even conspiratorially so. Those who prosper in a new regime develop a vested interest in conceptualizing the system as meritocratic and fair. The clash of latte-sipping sophisticates of the knowledge economy and bitter, gun-and-God toting steel workers of Pennsylvania is ultimately the competition of memes that bolster self worth.

Women of Hillary Clinton’s generation lived through overt discrimination and entrenched sexual division of labor. Many stayed at home or gave up career advancement because raising a family carried high social reward and working up the corporate ladder carried too little (or worse). As the doors cracked ajar and social incentives started readjusting, the irreversible choices of their youth became hopelessly outdated. Like the sexual revolution of 1963, realignment of workplace and family values came “too late for me” to many a boomer Betty. It is not easy for a woman of that era (or for an older black man like Jeremiah Wright) to face reality in the eye and recast herself from victim to fossil.

Slate’s team of female writers have consistently sided against Hillary in this race, often identifying the conflict as a generational one without being able to put their finger on a deeper reason. For successful female journalists or corporate lawyers (as opposed to lowly company secretaries, home makers and academic feminists whose raison d'etre is gender injustice), buying into a story where women are hapless victims of a still dominant patriarchy undermines personal success. It turns them into Uncle Toms, dick-sucking power whores, or even worse, undeserving beneficiaries of liberal corrective measures like affirmative action. You’d be inclined to believe it’s a fair game if you’re one of the winners.

Hillary didn’t run on a feminist platform and to the extent she had an image strategy, it was schizophrenic. Her constituency was formed through identification with her persona and background, not from her marketing slogans of experience and establishment connections. She of the vast right wing conspiracy and spousal betrayal exuded victimhood and feisty defiance in equal measure. It is interesting that other than older women, the group whose loyalty she captured is also one reeling under the threat of obsolescence – blue collar manufacturing workers with a stake in America’s vanishing industries.

To what extent society is still sexist or racist is a complex, empirical question. My point is that to the extent there is progress, older generations of disadvantaged groups will find self serving and experiential reasons to underestimate and younger generations to overestimate it. The ironic aspect of social justice is that the fruits of struggle often accrue disproportionately not to the generation who led the struggle but their children. The sister wars have been marked by a remarkable lack of empathy in either direction.

Obama’s constituency presents a different kind of puzzle. If one were to take his revolutionary rhetoric of “change” at face value, one should expect its appeal to spread among those left behind and disaffected, i.e. among many who actually supported Hillary and whose world view is seeped in a sense of injustice. Other than blacks and young people who have a direct tribal identification with Obama, he garnered support among high income, highly educated professionals, the yuppies, academics, journalists and urban elite. These are folks with some of the best seats in the auditorium!

One of the biggest myths in politics, I think, is that people vote for one bundle of policies or the other. Many of the fractious debates in American politics (e.g. gay marriage, gun licensing, God in the pledge or ID in the classroom) are over issues that have highly symbolic but very little consequential value. To put it simply, politics is largely about whose cultural totem pole gets erected in the village square, even though people like to pretend it is about restructuring reality.

To many, Obama represents urban cool and agnostic cosmopolitanism, the world of multi-ethnic offices, the global span of the internet, sushi and burgers, European vacations and Chinese teaching assistants. He represents, more in his being and demeanor than in his manifesto, the ethos of a growing demographic – the melting pot that is America’s big cities.

Geraldine Ferraro was only half right. Much of Obama’s appeal derives from his identity – not the blackness but the indefinable hue and mongrel origins. Andy Sullivan underscored the same points, but as part of an instrumental argument to elect him. I suspect those who vote for Obama will vote more out of a desire to change the cultural icon on Washington’s big billboard (no more provincial cowboy swagger please) than a wish to change America and the world in any fundamental way.

Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by theNairobiTrio

Glad to see another BotF outlier swimming valiantly against the regression to the mean.

It's been a tidal bore around here lately, if you know what I mean.

From the Bay of Fundies to the Bay of Mrs. Grundies - the left just can't seem to catch a break.

Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by LaurieAnnM

snap out of it Gregor..Hillary won the poular vote and Obama only won because Florida and Michigan had to be disenfranchised to get him in.

You write today as if you are on nodding on dope.

.

Snap out of it.

Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by theNairobiTrio

See what I mean, G_S?

a TIDAL bore!

Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by RonB52

Hillary won the popular vote.

A. Please show your work.

B. Al Gore.

Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by LaurieAnnM

Hi Ron..look both Gore and Hillary have to live with the disenfrancisement but what you don't take into account is millions of democrats like myself are now saying ..enough!

This is no longer the party for me when in 2000 they didn't do enough to push back and protest against the stolen 2000 election and then to add insult to injury the DNC, itself became the purveyors of blatent voter disenfranchisement.

The democratic is seriously torn asunder.

Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by RonB52

Geez, Laurie, I've been reading you for a little while now and you had me convinced you're a Republican.

Anyway, you can't possibly claim that "Hillary won the popular vote" without disenfranchising (a) every single last voter in the caucus states and (b) every single last Obama supporter in Michigan. You're probably also required to enfranchise voters in Puerto Rico and Texas (j/k). But that's why I asked you to show your work.

Now, if you're going to vote for McCain solely because Al Gore didn't push back hard enough in Florida in '00, well, that's just bizarre. But I guess you can waste your vote for any number of bad reasons.

It's hard to argue with this post...
by Archaeopteryx
...(it's hard to argue with you at all), but isn't it at least possible that some folks in the world are not always motivated by self-interest, or self-worth issues? Or is it just massaging my own self-worth to think such a thing?
Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by LaurieAnnM

of course not,Ron. It's about more than Gore and Hillary.

Much more.

It's about Reverend Wright and Obama's extremely lame ability to even seemingly have the slightest clue as to why pronouncing Wright his spiritual mentor was unwise and then being so clueless about how to handle the outrage about it all, when Wright was revealed to be raging nutcase so that Obama was forced to then denounce him, under extreme pressure.

How a person like that guy(Obama) can be supported by anyone is truly mystifying.

And the fact is...millions of dems are jumping ship on the party for running this novice who clearly had no obvious vetting whatsoever.

McCain is quite moderate. That's well known.

Most can live with that, since it's the only viable alternative.

Plus ,as in my post below..it is quite admirable of him to throw Hagee under the bus. And Hagee was never McCain's personal pastor like Wright was for Obama for twenty unexcusable years.

Thanks for reading me, as you mentioned above, however.

Re: Divine secrets of the nyah-nyah sisterhood
by Woolley
Damn, you are very, very good. That was a brilliant post and impeccable logic, thanks.
As a better writer than I once said
by RonB52
Evasion noted.
good post i mostly agree . . .
by baltimore aureole

but consider the following, which are not offered as refutation of any of your points, but as additional considerations:

  • "leftist sympathies among later generations of the rich". actually, most history books aver that this is more likely to be the tendency among the upper middle class, not the rich. the rich are SO rich (in this theory) that they feel no bond or compassion with the underclass, while the middle class (which rose up from the poor) is conflicted by the guilt it feels at escaping their fate, while resenting the bona fide rich. their goal is not to make everyone poor, but to make everyone middle class, by taxing the rich into extinction. however, there are no historical examples of a nation driving out the rich, and remaining vibrant and prosperous and a desireable place to live. not even scandinavia, which is home to a surprising number of tech and dot com rich.
  • "hillary didn't run on a feminist platform" - which i agree with, but she sure did more than her share of complaining that she was being treated unequally, as if there are laws about how gently the press must treat a candidate or officeholder. at least she take comfort in the fact that she wasn't "chimped", or endlessly blogged when she choked on a pork rind, or subjected to a smarmy weekly column of her malapropisms called "hillary-ous misstatements", eh?
  • "obama's revolutionary rhetoric" - in fact, i would avert that obamas continual chanting of "change" in a soothing voice is more akin to reagans "morning in america" than a paen to the geto boyz. everybody, except those writing or getting earmarks, believes government is broken. obama believes its broken, mccain believes its broken (but not hillary or pelosi or the similar republicans who are ripping us off).
  • "bundle of policies" - no disagreement, in any degree on this one. people vote on identity and economic well being. guess what that suggests for the outcome of this election?
Any theory of society
by Gregor_Samsa
involving millions of people can only be true statistically, i.e. on average. I'm pretty sure some gay, pacifist teenager somewhere will find a reason to vote for McCain. In fact if I look at even the fray sample, my theory achieves way less than perfect fit.
Re: As a better writer than I once said
by LaurieAnnM

Ron, honey..you are not going to get me to go digging up ten thousand web sites so I can detail to you the precise details of the numbers behind how Hillary won the popular vote.

It's more than enough that the fact that she did is already embedded into the country's mind

just as they know Gore won 2000.

People are not as dumb as Obama attempts to play them.

I know you bots don't get that..due to the Koolaid...but that's just the way it is,dude.

genius from ba
by LaurieAnnM

"bundle of policies" - no disagreement, in any degree on this one. people vote on identity and economic well being. guess what that suggests for the outcome of this election?

well done.

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