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America and China......
by edifice2007
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Does America do any better?

Can you explain to me why over half of people in a survey concerning 9/11 attack think America deserved it?

Why even America’s closest allies South Korea and Japan the majority of whose people hate Americans?

Why people would rather sacrifice themselves to kill Americans?

And I'd like to ask you how many wars have America started in past 50 years?

How many people have been killed by America?

How many countries have America invaded?

How many countries will America invade and people will America kill?

Stop your savage behaviors, otherwise even Jesus would cry.

America gives us an impression that:

In the eyes of Americans, anyone who likes them is their relative whereas anyone who doesn’t like them is a terrorist?

In the eyes of Americans, they are world police and have the right to punish anyone who doesn't bow down to them.

In the eyes of Americans, they are always right and understand every country on earth very well and are entitled to the God’s will to “protect” and “rescue” the rest of the world.

An American baby knows the president of North Korea is a thug before he/she even knows North Korea is a name of a country.

An American is one hundred percent sure that Tibet is an independent country before he/she knows where Tibet is.

American thought that all Chinese are brainwashed except those who are in prison or went abroad.

American thought China is a hell under the rule of Chinese communist party.

American democratic media also can forge news if necessary and all witnesses talk against China in American media’s news always “without giving their names”.

America has the right from the God to attack any country first if it senses any other country would attack America.

But the fact is:

Americans have never considered which country is more welcome in the world when they rant their tirade of the brutality of China

Americans who swear at China have never come to China to see what China is like by themselves.

The majority of Americans who have been living in China like China at least recognize that China isn't anything like what they thought before they came to China.

The citizens in China now are not in deep distress but lead a relatively happier life than in past 150 years and become more and more proud of their country.

The people who speak for the Chinese government probably have never seen any government official in their life or don’t have any relation to the government.

And can you explain to me:

Why the Cuban president said " all South American countries should have a foreign relationship with People's Republic of China rather than Taiwan'?

Why Pakistan donated all tents in its country and sent their total four transport planes to help China in this earthquake and said:" Did China brother ask for money when they help us" when China intended to buy tents from Pakistan giving Pakistan is a poor country?

Why did Philippines president say:" We are really should be grateful to China, it's our brother."

Why do the vast majority of African countries and South American countries view China as their best friend?

Why most Europeans say they love China and China is a great country?

Do Chinese citizens hate Chinese government?

They do “hate”.

They “hate” that Chinese government has offered too much help to other poorer countries in the form of money and technology and the like on conditions that China itself is not a rich country.

They “hate” that Chinese government made a big mistake not accepting Japan’s war compensation after the world war two in order to keep a good relationship with Japan, which could have been used for China’s development and would probably have made China much more developed now.

They “hate” that Chinese government always adopts the principal “Foreigners first”. For example, a rescue team had rescued a couple of foreigners first before they turned to their own siblings in this earthquake.

They “hate” that Chinese government seems to be a softie faced with those separatists, such as Taiwanese and Tibetan separatists, given that they are after all our siblings.

I admit:

The Chinese government doesn't always do a good job.

They launched the great leap forward, Cultural Revolution and 1989 64 event.

We have no absolute freedom of speech, no absolute freedom of media, no absolute freedom of public information, no absolute independence of judiciary system and no absolute democracy of election system and other mountainous unreasonable systems.

You think all Chinese are blind and don’t see what their government are doing?

You think you know better about the Chinese government than Chinese?

The forementioned part is all that China-haters know and that the American government wants them know and that American media are interested in and would cover.

But

Judging a government to see if it is worthy of its people’s support lies in the fact that if it cares about its people, if it can offer its people a better life.

In recent years, we are seeing a huge improvement of our life standard, we are seeing our country is developing, we are seeing Chinese nation is becoming strong.

And there are other historical reasons:

First, China is a country which has a civilization of more than 5,000 years. Loyalty to the country and the government is highly valued and regarded as a virtue whereas violation to them is scorned, which is in violently contrast with America where it is considered to be something worthy of pride to fight government for rights.

Second reason is that the Chinese communist party made a great contribution in the past which drove away Japanese aggressors and made China a totally independent country.

Third reason is that America is going all-out to curb China’s development through all kinds of means, such as Taiwan issue, Tibet issue, which make its citizens get tired of America and would rather support its government.

That’s why we are still supporting our government even though it made mistakes in the past and is making mistakes even now and undoubtedly will make mistakes in future.

I HOPE:

America and China will get along well. It is amazing the two most important countries in 21 century locate on the respective half of the earth having 12 hours’ time difference at the furthest. The two countries have their respective advantages and disadvantages. America is a democratic and free country. China is a great country for its civilization.But neither is perfect.

I HOPE:

American people and Chinese people will get along well. There is no reason we necessarily have to hate each other. What we are doing are not great things. What we need are mutual understanding, respect and trust.

A common Chinese

aint globalization just ducky?
by intersurfa
that great wall of china was there for a reason. to keep this kind of thinking to itself. what hath Nixon done.
p.s.
by intersurfa
wanna be popular? stop stinking up our world's athmosphere.
Re: America and China......
by Tarquin Machismo
Judging by the responses on Slate, the Chinese are more blindly patriotic than Americans are. You will find plenty of self-critical posts from Americans on the fray, whereas the Chinese who post are often mouth-frothingly defensive about their beloved homeland.
Wake up and smell the coffee. China is a right-wing dictatorship, nothing more. True, America's media is widely controlled and influenced by huge corporate conglomerates, but the internet is gradually undercutting the media's bias and is offering alternative avenues for those seeking the truth about their government's policies. In China, the internet is also serving as a conduit for free speech but is being strangled to an extent by the all-pervasive nature of its government.

actually,
by intersurfa
you are half-right Tarqui about the media being big business in America, but that's not the half of the story. Fact is that the American media does not do any of the editorializing that is so common in the European media, where not only the facts of a story are published but also a logical conclusion. The American media does not do that, for many reasons, some of which are self-interest because it is easy to end up in court for defamation, slander, etc. China however is far worse then Europe. Not only is everything reported in the media editorialized conclusion, but it is coordinated by governement burocracy. This results in a Chinese population being cliche thinkers. For example, any subject concerning Taiwan refers to it being 'owned' by China at one time, when the reality of the situation is that the Taiwanese people want nothing to do with their dumb ass monkey cousins on the mainland. Taiwan's destiny is not a matter of history, but a matter of choice of the current people living on Taiwan. Self-determination is the basis of any government sovereignty anywhere in the world.
You forgot one
by dumb_blonde

How many crappy products has America made lately that have killed people, poison animals & fell apart two minutes after opening the package?

I don't know a lot about China, it's government or policies, but I do know if the label says made in China, it doesn't not come home with me.

Re: actually,
by Tarquin Machismo
The UK has some of the best and the worst press in the world. Murdoch's Sun newspaper, which is aimed at the working class and illiterates, and which has to include daily a topless page 3 'lovely', actually has the power to influence elections. We now have The Daily Sport which is porn masquerading as a newspaper which is even worse.

On the other hand, our TV news has a duty to be fair and objective and you won't see anything as blatantly biased as FOX News. The trouble is that TV news is pretty superficial and rarely goes into any depth on major news issues. As far as Iraq goes, a good proportion of the coverage was dedicated to talk of military strategy instead of a discussion of the reasons for war or the influence of domestic Iraqi factors. Like CNN, BBC News 24 was prone to spending 3 hours gazing at a tank warming up its engines, moving its turret and then powering down again. Very informative.
Re: You forgot one
by Tarquin Machismo
Blondie, I would have difficulty locating a non-food product that wasn't made in China. What do you do - buy everything 2nd hand ?
Re: You forgot one
by tnarladni
Uh...dumb blonde? You're really dumb. You blame China for products that kill people. How bout the American companies that are greedy and instead of paying a decent wage and not take a huge profit to manufacture products here, they go to China where the working condition is horrible and bring all that horrible chinese products here. And blame wal-mart for selling those products. and blame Dub for not investing in the american dollar. yeah. it's all china's fault.
hm, FOX news is a disgrace.....
by intersurfa

...although I must say, thanks to FOX Soccer channel, we get to see some sport here, other then the local pass time of baseball, basketball and that queer sport, football which is played with hands and not a ball at all. The dichotomy of the American language is so discouraging sometimes. The real football, they call soccer here. Sounds like a mispronounced French sauce.

BBC worldnews america is what I watch, besides CNN occasionally, and I agree with you, they do a lot of good work and I especially like that they let eyewitnesses speak at the site of the news. I wish CNN would do that. Although, I guess it is a form of editorializing I suppose, but at least by an informed side on the scene, not from thousands of miles from behind a desk.

Re: America and China......
by edifice2007

First please take my apology for putting my post in "dear Prudence" section by a mistake, which I wrote in reply to someone who said everything negtive about China which irritated me.I want to delete it, but I don't know how.

Tarquin:

You found the majory of Chinese here are defensing their beloved country because there are so many China haters here who just see negtive side of China.You almost can't find any post thinking highly of China.So there is no necessity of adding more insult to China, isn't it? Furthmore, there is huge amount of self-criticism in Chinese forums. With respect to media, I sense media in any country are more or less controlled by governments. For example, S.Korea is having a couple of big parades against its government for its signing the treaty of Free trade agreement with America, which is considered to be unfair in S.Korea and has provoked public fury over their president.The biggest one includes one million people. And the government cracked the peaceful parades down by beating them and putting many leaders in prison.( A S.Korean friend told me). How many of you have read this news? I guess S.Korean government also had adopted news black.As far as medium freedom is concerned, China is undoubtedly one of worst in world.The media only report something positive for many reasons.We usually admire western media for its democracy and freedom. But since that notorious CNN incident,(I geuss you still don't know it because of the same news black in the USA,.I'd like to say it again, CNN forged news and pictures to slander the Chinese government. If you want to know the details. Go to www.anti-cnn.com ) many people especially students in China lost trust in western media. To be blunt, I hate nationalists. They do nothing to help their own country but spoil things. I'd like to share with you my own experience. I never heard Tibet is an issue and Tibetan wants to be indepentant since I was born.But since 3 14 riot, I became deeply concerned about Tibet. I read history of Tibet in the Wikipedia and found some discoveries. I complained to my roommate why the government didn't tell us the whole story of Tibet ( I don't mean Tibet is an indepentant country, I mean Tibet has been wanting to be independent long before) and sent him the article from Wikipedia. He raged into fury and said: Tibet is part of China forever. I suggest you read some articles about XinJiang. ) He made his conclusion before even he read the article. This is called nationalist. I guess there are many nationalists in America who only see negtive side of China too. As for me, I care more about truth rather than my own emotion.

intersurfa:

You are saying if Quebec wants to declare independence from America, you will respect their choice because "it's the choice of the current people living in Quebec".( I said if)

Quebec is not a province of America.
by intersurfa
It's a province of Canada. I am an American, not Canadian. I dont have an opinion about the Quebec issue, but I guess, logically, to be true to my point, I'd have to say.....maybe. LOL. Why maybe? Simply because Quebec's separatist movement is not supported by most Quebecoise, and it's not a separation of form of government like in China. Taiwan was founded by Chinese fleeing from Communism. The Quebecoise are not fleeing Canada because of its form of government and gendocide (the Communist genocide of Chinese people who opposed Communism). The situation between Quebec/Canada is different then China/Taiwan. And a separation of Quebec from Canada would split Canada in two, and be a serious problem for the functioning of the rest of Canada. That survival argument can NOT be made by mainland China because it does not need Taiwan in any way or form. It doesn't need Tibet either. But, self-determination is the reason why China can be a Communist nation. It should the reason why Taiwan wants to be its own nation. It's right up there with self-defense/survival. Again, Red China is not having its existence threatened by Taiwan, but Taiwan is having its existence threatened by Red China.
p.s. the big issue for China.....
by intersurfa
...is and will always be, that most of the rest of the world places human right over national right. an unalienable human right is to self-determine one's own fate, and survival. Red China, and Communism in many countries, however, abridges unalienable human right over national intent. That is the crux of China's problem with the rest of the world. It will always be the reason why the rest of the world will never trust Red China's national government, alliances, treaties, intentions. In Red Chinas own interest in the international community, it must treat its own people's right to exist and determine their own personal destinies. In the case of China, and radical religious fundamentalism, this will always be a friction point in globalization. In the past this could be ignored, but due to globalization, that disrespect for the individual is right under everybody's nose.
on the other hand.....
by intersurfa
....Chinas policy of 'shit doesnt happen here unless we intend it to happen here' is admirable, and the deathknell of losygoosy cultures where an indivual's right often overrules a society's right of protection from abuse, like the US. Societies do have to do things in the public interest. China is at one end of the extreme, and maybe the US at the other, although the US is not in chaos, yet. LOL. I guess, the point is, if it doesn't victimize individuals, then whatever the heck the Chinese want to do in their own country can't be interfered with by the national community. That's the way western thinking goes. Middle eastern thinking though, and Red Chinese thinking, wants one authority to be in charge and provide law and order, at all costs. Ah well, as the Americans say, different strokes for different folks.
Re: You forgot one
by SamIamNot

American companies were pretty much forced to move purchases and production overseas. American consumers were demanding lower prices and were not buying the higher priced American made products. The companies had to respond or die. Are American companies innocent? Of course not but they aren't any more evil or greedy than individuals who want what is best for themselves as well. Basically, humans are all self-centered beings.

Of course China is responsible for the products it makes. They knowingly produced products that were not up to the standards that they claimed them to be.

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