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Electoral College
by Rock459
Getting rid of the electoral college altogether is the best solution as history has shown it to be mostly worthless. It diminishes the number of voters that presidential candidates pay attention to because they end up focusing most of their campaigns on the swing states. The record of presidents who have won without carrying the popular vote is not impressive, with Hayes and Bush being particularly disastrous. However, a bonus plan would be better than what we have now.
Re: Electoral College
by tjcerveza

Bull S#*t. Abollishment of the Electoral College System would make states with small populations virtual slaves of the largest states. Presidents would disregard your views forever. Don't fall for it. Once you give up this Constitutional protection, I guarantee, you will never get it back.

It is called The United STATES of America for a reason. Do not let people in California, Texas, and New York talk you into becoming their bitch.

Re: Electoral College
by deaddrift

Your argument makes no sense.

What you argue for is not the maintenance of a fair system but the preservation of an unjust system. The fact that it is Constitutional does not make it inherently right - or maybe only landed white men should be allowed to vote again?

{Cross posted from another thread}:

It should come as no surprise that an argument supporting the unjustifiable magnification of rural white votes is made by a conservative.

Wyoming: E.C. votes: 3. Population: ~500,000. So electoral college votes/100,000 voters = 0.6. Votes Republican in Presidential elections.

California: E.C votes: 55. Population: ~36,553,300. So electoral college votes/100,000 voters = 0.15, or one quarter the weight of the voters of Wyoming. California votes Democratic in Presidential elections.

Maybe we should just count Californian votes as 3/5ths as valuable as Wyoming votes? Ironically, they'd be better off.

There is no argument to be made to justify this state of affairs. The principle is "one man (/woman) one vote." The tyranny of the majority is replaced here by the tyranny of the minority, as so ably represented in Dubya's presidency.

{End cross post quote.}

Re: Electoral College
by jpperry
Abollishment of the Electoral College System would make states with small populations virtual slaves of the largest states

Funny you should use that argument, because is it fair to make the largest states virtual slaves to the states with small populations?

Is it fair that one's vote should carry different weight depending on where one decides to live?
Re: Electoral College
by gcoolidge

The Electoral College is here to stay. It's value is that it ensures that the President can not be elected simply by campaigning high-density population centers. Without it, candidates would not even visit my state, and what my neighbors and I wanted would be irrelevant. No doubt people in California and New York would prefer such a system.

The Electoral College was a provision THAT EVERY STATE AGREED TO. The College was one of the Constitutional guarantees provided to my state. Now, some people want to strip me of my right to have my state's voice matter in Presidential elections. I respectfully ask that you stop trying to violate my rights. But, if need be, I will gladly repeat my request in a not-so-friendly tone of voice. You are, after all, trying to strip me of my rights. Think I won't fight for them?

But no matter: You'll fail. Three-fourths of the states will never agree to increasing the influence of CA, TX, FL, NY, MI, OH, IL, PA. Are these places somehow supposed to be role models, or leaders for the rest of us? LOL

Re: Electoral College
by deaddrift

Nobody is trying to strip you of your rights, and such an accusation in a dead thread is silly at best.

The electoral college was decided on by thirteen of the fifty states, not all.

IF the EC was eliminated, NO STATE would be ignored, because EVERY VOTE would count. Instead, right now if you vote Democratic in Wyoming, or Republican in California, your vote counts for exactly nothing, because 51% or more of the other voters in the state disagree with your choice. Too bad! What state do you live in, anyway?

The only part of your post that is correct, though not noteworthy, is the observation that an amendment eliminating the EC will not pass.

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