so far off on the issues of women's rights? Here's the problem with the framing of all these "you women must vote for Obama" arguements. They keep saying that McCain opposes women's rights. That's just code speak for abortion rights. So, let's say, your say.... 50 years old and no longer fertile. What's in YOUR personal advantage to choose Obama. The theory here is that abortion is the ONLY political topic that defines women's rights.

McCain supports pay equity. He supports a lot of economic positions that many women might find appealing.

Just so you know, I'm not voting for McCain. But then, I'm not voting for Obama either at this time. I'm more focused on the Senate campaigns. Anyway, the point is, that McCain has the opportunity to woe the woman vote for a change, because the DNC took them for granted.

I don't recall McCain ever supporting pay equity. Perhaps he stated he believes in it, but what has he ever done to back up a generic statement? In fact he voted against a bill just this spring that would have restored womens right to sue employers that discriminate.

As it stands now due to the recent SCOTUS ruling, women must file within a limited time period from the first sub par paycheck. Of course it might take you a few months to find out that your getting ripped off. The previous interpretation of the law was that each paycheck was a separate offense, permitting women to take action at the time they learn what is happening. McCain voted against restoring the old interpretation.

If voting is now all about personal advantage then the women's movement is in big trouble. Movements are based on solidarity. Is this the end of feminism, then?

My guess is that if you are 50 and no longer fertile, there is a good chance that you have a daughter of reproductive years. Moreover, you might just think that the state has no business forcing a woman to have a baby against her will.

Moreover, if you are over 50, chances are decent that you, or someone in your family may have a preexisting health condition that would make purchasing health insurance with McCain's 5,000 tax credit COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE. So, you might think that Obama's health care plan looks really good!

Also, if you are 50 it is quite possible that you have or know someone who has a son or daughter that is in or has been deployed in Iraq. If so, when he she comes home (God willing), it might be nice if he she could go to college. Obama and other senate Dems AND repubs thought that a new GI bill might be a good idea too. McCain opposed it on the grounds that it would hurt retention in the military-he thinks you should have to serve 2 tours to go to college. So, lets just say you go to Iraq and on your first tour you lose a leg-no college for you, according to McCain.

Or, perhaps you don't like the idea of warentless wiretaps and value your civil liberties-kiss those goodbye after the McCain Supreme Court finishes with things.

that counts here is abortion rights. Actually, Obama's health plan is unworkable. You can't have universal health care if you let people opt out. But hey, if you were actually interested in comparing health plans, you would have supported Clinton's.

legislators to change the law so that SCOTUS has to follow a new law. That problem has to be addressed by legislation. So, did you really not take civics in high school or college. I've already written to my Rep and Senator to address that problem.

Think about it. For some women to complain about the glass ceiling, someone has to be cleaning their houses and watching their kids - generally for minimum or near minimum wage. Feminism has been a joke for a while since it is based upon a class war.

Yeah, someone that actually gets paid to do those things.

differnetEllen,

I'm sorry but that was a terrible reply. There was legislation introduced, its what I was talking about. McCain voted against it. Therefore, its difficult to argue that he supports pay equity.

Blueshift

but perhaps true feminist would be fighting for them to have a living wage.

"So, you admit that the only woman right that counts here is abortion rights."

People gave you a ton of other reasons, why won't you listen to them

"Actually, Obama's health plan is unworkable."

Why?

"You can't have universal health care if you let people opt out."

Is this supposed to prove the last sentence? Because it doesn't. Obama's health care nay not be universal in the way you want, but it IS universally availible. So in some sense it is universal.

"But hey, if you were actually interested in comparing health plans, you would have supported Clinton's."

Pssst...Clinton isn't in the race any more. So comparing her health plan to Obama's is a bit of a moot point.

Why are you here differentEllen? I mean your post is so completely nonsensical that if I didn't have WAY too much time on my hands I wouldn't even have bothered to respond to it. You only seem interested in grinding your axe and you have absolutely no intention of changing your mind about anything. So why bother? Do you like hearing the sound of your own typing?

for your position. However, I suggest you get the number of that bill and link to it showing McCain's vote against it. You can say anything, but sooner or later, you'll have to prove it. So, before I before I believe you, perhaps you can post a link. Since I read the Washington Post, the NY Times, the LA Times and the Guardian UK each day, I must have missed this legislation; a link would be most helpful... Or I'm left with another assumption.

A "true" feminist? I'd say there are quite a few valid ways to be feminist, but I don't see how any of those ways involve deliberately not voting for Obama in November.

That stuff about "universally available" is crap and you know it. Nice talking point. So, if you don't have health coverage and get hit by a car, can we leave you to die in the streets? Unless everyone pays into a health plan, you can't have universal health care. People who are uncovered will still end up declaring bankruptcy and the cost will still get passed on to the rest of us.

As for Clinton not running, I agree she's not.

I have yet to see this "ton" of other reasons. I've gotten exactly 3 posts back from my original post - none of them were expansive on the topic. You are just hyperventalating rather than really deal with the post.

"the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues, the bulk -- particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone's, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people."