Did you get what you wanted out of this?

Does the Pope shit in the woods? Are bears Catholic? Did Bush lie?

Yes; egregiously, malevolently, to his handler's interests, because God knows he isn't smart enough to formulate plan and agenda on his own.

Better ask "Did Bush's advisors lie?"

Through their lying teeth and self interest.

GWB is almost innocent through constitutional stupidity.

What do you think his IQ would test at, classic Stanford-Binet or Weschler; or even more modern, forgiving tests accounting for environment, race, factors tending to lower scores?

Less than median, think I, and less than any college graduate without outside intervention (daddy).

90ish? 95? Daddy was not too much brighter, but an honest war veteran, shot down and recovered, whereas GWB is a dumb coward, like Cheney, Rummy, all the rest of the neo-warhawks who haven't a clue about real conflict.

Chickenhawks, all, and blight on humanity and history.

Jesus - Doc - great minds think alike. We posted at the very same second and I asked the same question about the arboreal bears.

I had to delete the post because yours took first.

But you should have stopped after the first paragraph - the rest is giving this "meme-poseur" far too much credit.

He's still an idiot though, and America worse for "his" Presidency, memes and frames be damned.

When my love swears that he is made of truth,
I do believe him, though I know he lies,
That he might think me some untutor'd youth,
Unskilful in the world's false forgeries.
Thus vainly thinking that he thinks me young,
Although I know my years be past the best,
I smiling credit his false-speaking tongue,
Outfacing faults in love with love's ill rest.
But wherefore says my love that he is young?
And wherefore say not I that I am old?
O, love's best habit is a soothing tongue,
And age, in love, loves not to have years told.
Therefore I'll lie with love, and love with me,
Since that our faults in love thus smother'd be.

"A grave danger to the American people" - Bush lied.

"Reconstituted nuclear program" - Cheney lied.

"Mushroom cloud" - Rice lied.

"Mobile bio-weapons labs" - Powell lied.

"Weapons of mass destruction" - Rumsfeld lied

"Global war on terror" - They all lied.

Eliminating Israel's enemies, establishing American hegemony over the Middle East, securing Middle Eastern oil as America's private preserve, creating vast wealth for oil companies. - No one said a word.

Depends. Were his lips moving?

if you bothered to read the link. (don't bother responding...)