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Just for the Record: "It ain't Sex Hillary"
by zuko
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Today's news cycle is peddling down a mighty bumpy path: that sexism derailed Hillary and her husband Toto off the yellow brick road to the White House.

Hillary lost her bid because a majority of Dems couldn't swallow her pablum of politics as usual. Wrong message, wrong time.

Hillary lost in her nomination bid because she ran a losing campaign. Text books on what not to do are already being written.

But the reason Hillary lost is not some esoteric combination of theorectical politic. The folks walking into the polls were reacting to a few basic realities that couldn't be ignored.

This was her's to loose, and she did it all by herself with tunnel visioned hubris that Barak Obama had nothing to do with.

Hillary lost because of a few simple facts:

She couldn't grasp the concept that the DNC picks its nominee by delgate majority and ignored the caucas formats. This was apparent from the first night in Iowa. The day she lost the whole thing btw.

She ran on experience: Beyond idiotic! There wasn't a woman in America that didn't understand that they aren't brain surgeons because their husbands are doctors. By that, Hillary was automatically talking down to the very core on which she was depending.

By leaving her husband on the stump through the whole debacle- even after his early classic bungles - she said loud and clear: "I need my husband to suceed!" She never cut the cord. Hardly a feminist decree.

She spent copious time expounding on her health care plan. The same plan that she couldn't make happen when she was in a position to do so. Hardly an endorsement of her effectiveness.

When the neo-cons pressured congress into supporting the war with cheap slogans and facist rthetoric - she collapsed like a young ingénue with a case of the "vapors".

She flat out lied about the "sniper fire" in Bosnia. The facts were never in debate. This can't be dismissed as some opponents talking point. America's tolorance for old time politicians "misspeaking" just isn't what it used to be.

She didn't loose because she was a woman. She lost because she wasn't good enough to win.

Only one little problem with your theory:She won
by LaurieAnnM

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ask Senator Feinstein.

Obama got in only by having two key states disenfranchised.

But,if you want to believe the sniper fire statement mattered to soothe your sense of having stolen a nomination.... Have at it.

Obama: America's first Affirmative Action Candidate.

How proud you must be.

Why so pissy?
by zuko

I guess it's just like a woman.

Stolen the nomination? You are joking? Aren't you? Hillary ran the worst compaign(okay, there was Dukakis) in modern history and turned a certain victory into a debacle.

Obama is the nominee is there some debate about that? Therefore he won. How ever you wnat to parse it, under their rules, the Dem Party picked obama. Period.

Had Hillary not shot herself in the foot over and over, they might have picked her. If she hadn't clinged to he husband's deteriorating legacy, she might have won. If she hadn't decided to lie about Bosnia and turn off even more voters, they might have picked her

If her negatives in the national polls weren't an all time record , they might have picked her.

Had FL and MI held primaries under the rules, they might have picked her.

And this tar baby, "they were disenfrancised" its just preposterous. Nobody held those voters arms behind their back and told them to vote in a Dem primary that they KNEW was invalid. Vote Repub if they don't like it. I didn't make the rules and neither did Obama. And you're telling me you would be this exercised if Obama had won both states? Really?

You are seem to laboring under the idea that the Dem Party is somehow a populist democracy. NO.........they are a political party that selects nominees. They pick the one that they think will win.

ANd your comment about Obama's affermative action status borders on abject racism, unless I am reading that wrong, in such case I apologise in advance. I would submit that the Harvard Law review likely selects its editors on merit.

I was about to post that I thought that all this talk about women actually crying out loud over the Hillery demise was just idiotic spin. I guess I was wrong.

Oh, not pissy. Just the facts. That's all.
by LaurieAnnM

sorry they upset you so.

I am content now,actually because finally the media will have to lay off of her.

She gave a great and classy speech on Saturday and it's clear her supporters adore her.

She will have fine future in the Senate so all is well.

You seem so defensive about Obama's candidacy.

How curious!

I am sure you shouldn't worry. Afterall,when one has a messianic figure as a candidate there can be not doubt one he will be able to perform miracles no mortal man could ever hope to beat.

Good luck with that drumbeat.

;-)

Re: Why so pissy?
by LaurieAnnM

Oh yeah and on the Affirmative Action angle?

That has been written about all over the web and in every legitimate news outlet since January.

Quick Google results in over 300,000 items referring to 'Obama as The Affirmative Action Candidate'.

Happy reading.

;-)

link
by LaurieAnnM
Re: Just for the Record: "It ain't Sex Hillary"
by tartuffe
"just like a woman"
by biteoftheweek

another example of the sexism of the left

Re: Only one little problem with your theory:She won
by julieboomer

Sen Feinstein was playing fast and loose with the truth.

the bitterness and clinging to Hillary and lying about "Affirmative Action" doesn't become her demographic.

Re: "just like a woman"
by pissenlit

another example of the sexism of the left

This statement is meaningful to you somehow?

Re: Only one little problem with your theory:She won
by LaurieAnnM

and the relentless drumbeat of nasty misogynist('bitter','clinging'­) quips from Obamabots will guarentee his loss in November.

nice going julie. You, more than any other bot I have read here, makes me want to run as fast as I can away from Obama.

So a question
by zuko

But let me clear things up a bit. I would wear a Hillary pants suit and and smoke a Bill Clinton used cigar if I thought that was the only way of putting a dem in the WH. My post was only pointing out that Hillary, and almost any pundit including Carville will agree and has, ran a losing campaign on many levels.

So…..how strongly do you feel you will be “disenfranchised” if Hillary is not the VP choice? I can’t personally imagine in a million years she would be. There’s way too much downside. Not the least of which is her position on the war. A deal killer.

And will you also feel let down when Obama picks a man in stead of another woman?

Wait. I take that back, julie........this:
by LaurieAnnM
this guy is almost as bad as you are when it comes to bot nastinest. But you still take the cake. Re: 'Bami IS Trinity Church. He Can't Shake That.
by saladin
06/09/2008, 12:41 PM # Favorites Reply Time to start Kicking Fat White Trash Ass....Obama ain't here to be your friend...He is Ready to destroy the Repugs and your "kind:"...Not much you can do about it....
------------------------------­------------------------------­------------- I sometimes wonder if you bots have even the slightest clue as to just how angry and crazed you come off.
No,zuko,I do NOT want her to be VP
by LaurieAnnM

no way.

She has been through enough. She gave a wonderful speech and went out a clear winner.

We all know she had the big big momentum ..the votes are on record..she was beating him by 35-40% points at the end in the various state primaries..we all know how Florida and Mich. had to be cut out in order for Donna Brazile to have her way at the DNC. We know. This was all on national television. We saw it all as it happened.

We also saw a very biased liberal media endlessly shill for Obama while concurrently calling her a monster if she even uttered the slightest statement that could be twisted and mis interpreted by her naysayers. They nailed her to the cross if her lipstick was drab or her voice was too loud or if it was too soft.

The liberal media beat her relentlessly.

Enough.

She went out knowing she won and she was disenfranchised..just as Gore was in 2000.

The democratic party should have fought harder for Gore in 2000 and they should never have played the games they did with front loading the primaries for Obama.

It's all just much contrived Bullshit,....

this Obama mania.

He buses thesee people into his rallies..with rank Beatlemania like promotion techniques.It's all bull.

But, PT Barnum would have loved you, zuko and made a million off of you...(look up his most famous quote)

Later...

zuko....and no..again..I do not want Hillary to have to deal with Obama's BS mania train.No way!

I wouldn't wish THAT on my worst enemy.

She will excel to a greater more lasting power in The Senate, anyway.

Re: No,zuko,I do NOT want her to be VP
by zuko

I’m surprised you see her as having such a distinct lack of intestinal fortitude. I mean, even I see her as much stronger than that succumbing to negative fashion critiques. After all, this is the same woman who put on a happy face while Bill was giving special assignments to interns in the Oval office.

You should have more faith.

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