I personally identify with both groups (second wavers, new feminists) at the age of 42. Likewise, I was an early Clinton supporter, grudgingly became an Obama supporter by about February, but frequently have disliked him, and find myself very angry at various aspects of what is going on- mainly at the treatment of Hillary and the lack of outrage at how any powerful woman could be treated as she has been, with no one defending her. And this I think is the real crux. The attacks on Clinton were legion. The respect given to her strength, power, determination, and resume were slight and tended toward the superficial. The misogyny showed abundantly here and there, but somehow was not considered as relevant as her displays of many foibles, or any hint of racism. Now it is over, and people are still talking about how awful she is. But where is the honoring and the credit given? She is arguably the most powerful woman in America. We don't have to like her or anything about her to celebrate her. She deserves credit for what she has achieved. And another unsung point- the grief is great. As a lesbian resident of Massachusetts, I can't tell you strongly enough how important that one little piece of paper, that one law was, in making the GLB community feel accepted somewhere very deep down. It changed everything for us. It matters a great deal, way beyond any practical issue. And I do not begrudge this same feeling being given to those of color in America who feel this same validation by the presence of a candidate who symbolizes- hey, those white/strait people don't hate us as much as we always thought (or the endless surveys seem to suggest). Maybe things have changed. Maybe we can think differently, live differently, try some different things. But women lost that validation, and instead got something quite ugly- an in your face reminder that various forms of misogyny are not only alive and well and in our faces, but not even confronted in any coordinated way. Where is the movement? Where is the outrage? It doesn't matter if Hillary was less than ideal, we should have defended her- and if not at the heat of the moment, how about now? Can we at least lionize her now? Meanwhile the Millenials/ new feminists talk about Hillary's lack of perfection and the need not to vote for someone just because of their chomosomes. And while they occasionally hear the emotion underlying the loss by Clinton, they do not clearly understand it, or what they can do about it. IMHO, anyway.