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YOU EITHER MAKE THINGS BETTER---but which things?
by gala1
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If Hillary Clinton supports Obama, she will heal the Democratic Party and become Vice President.

BUT if Hillary Clinton becomes, instead, McCain's Vice president, she heals the country.

More importantly she becomes part of a team well-situated and responsibly connected to hit the ground running and fix every one of the countless broken things that are the Bush League's legacy.

Obama is a junior Senator with 2 whole years in Congress.
And that is supposed to win an election.
Right.

And what would his faction actually LET Hillary do? Hillary Clinton may have thought she has spent her time in Hell, but this can be a lot worse than anyone could even describe for her. and even more so for Bill Clinton.

McCain is savvy enough to know what BOTH Clinton's can offer and run with it.

Even better, he understands government by coalition in a way Obama's egotistical supporters are never going to let happen.

Should Obama win a and screw up Hillary will be there to blame for it.
Should he lose, Hillary will be blamed for it.

But if she goes with McCain , she maps out a whole new path in American History.
And gets to do what she can do best, solve the problems.

I can't understand this loyalty to the Democratic Party thing.
How loyal and supportive has the Democratic Party been to Hillary, or the Clintons.

Or most importantly, how loyal has the Democratic Party been to any of us?

I am writing in Hillary Clinton on my ballot. The something I want my vote to stand for is voting for the person I believe can do the best job. I don't vote for second best. My vote is too valuable for me to do that.

Obama is unelectable. And McCain needs to be reined in.
I am now hearing way too many people who swore they'd never consider another Republican looking a lot harder at McCain.

You can foist an unsuitable candidate like Obama onto the ticket, but you can't make any of us vote for him.
And on election day, you'll find out we didn't.

-gala1

Re: YOU EITHER MAKE THINGS BETTER---but which things?
by DoctorJ

A) If Hillary becomes McCain's VP she has to abandon pretty much EVERYTHING she ran on - universal health care, choice, equality, fairness in the tax code, getting out of Iraq.

B) If she for some reason decided that everything she ran on was NOT important, then she wouldn't be helping McCain heal or fix anything, since his platform is to stay in Iraq for a LONG time, keep W's horrible tax cuts for the wealthy, and to keep screwing the poor out of health care.

C) All of this is an exercise in futility, because can you imagine ANY Republicans voting for a McCain-Hillary ticket? ANY? They may get a chunk of the middle, but Obama would get ALL the Dems and the Repubs would stay home in disgust. If Hillary wants to guarantee an Obama win, this would be a good way to achieve it WHILE ALSO completely wiping out her entire future in the Senate or any political position (even as a Repub). In essence she'd be Lieberman to the 10th power.

So, in order for Hillary to heal the nation she needs to support Obama vigorously either as his VP or just a strong advocate and ally in the Senate or future cabinet, AND she needs to speak out STRONGLY AGAINST a McCain presidency that would CONTINUE NOT FIX the errors of the W presidency...

Re: YOU EITHER MAKE THINGS BETTER---but which things?
by jazzguitarman

I agree with all your points A, B, C but not with your last paragraph.

If Hilary wants to heal the nation AND she truly believes that BOTH Obama and McCain are NOT fit to be the Pres than she should run as an independent.

You appear to believe the only way to heal the nation is to support Obama, but if she really believes Obama is able to take the nation in the right direction than running as an independent is what she should do.

Note that this might give McCain the Presidency but then HRC could run again in 2012. In other words HRC might really feel that what is best for the nation is 4 years of McCain and then her as Pres, verses 4 or 8 years of Obama.

Re: YOU EITHER MAKE THINGS BETTER---but which things?
by yof
She could always ask to be Nader's VP...
was that funny?
by jazzguitarman

If the joke here is that HRC would have no chance as a third party candidate I'm not sure I agree with that.

If Obama encounters more negatives assocaited with his past (fair or not) it is possible that a 3 person race would be about equal and the person from NEITHER of the major parties could have the best chance.

In other words HRC would have here Dem supporters, along with independents and moderates that don't support McCain (feel he is too McBush for example), and it could then be a very tight 3 person race.

Maybe that is what HRC meant when she said she hasn't decided anything yet (because the Dem party ticket has been decided so what else is there for her to decide).

Re: was that funny?
by Thevail

She has decided, she sent out a letter saying that she'll support Obama completely.

She won't even remotely run on an independant ticket, but you probably won't see it.

I'm sure there'd be hard feelings amongst some most dems if she did, don't you think?

And if you think the repubs have an arsenal to nail her with..do please sit back and wait for the SERIES of Clintonian revelations that would emerge by EVERYONE she ever crossed in the DNC if she decided to jump ship..and that's a lot of people. Al Gore, John Kerry, Howard Dean and so on.Oh and everyone in the party who knows what all Bill was up to then and now.

Ask Lieberman how much fun it is trying to get out of one party and into another.

It's like being a spy..you can join, but no one retires.

Re: YOU EITHER MAKE THINGS BETTER---but which things?
by Woolley
She should just create the Hillary party and be up front about this issue. People like you can then just vote for whatever she wants to do. Its always been about her anyway. Admit it.
Re: YOU EITHER MAKE THINGS BETTER---but which things?
by gala1

President McCain will thank you all for not comprehending the consequences of NO EXPERIENCE and ignoring what that means in this freefall of a national crisis.

It is just breath-taking how the Democrats have gulled themselves into finding yet another candidate that can't compete against a Republican no matter what sorry specimen that republican is.

Well done. McCain won't be able to do it without your inability to understand demographics. And the Democratic Party's falling for a partisan candidate.

What do I care. Obama can't win. And my one comfort about the past eight years is that I was never responsible for voting in any bad idea of a candidate.

My responsibility is to vote for the candidate that I think is the most capable. And that's why I am writing in Hillary Clinton.

And I won't be alone in doing that.

-gala1

Re: YOU EITHER MAKE THINGS BETTER---but which things?
by Thevail

President McCain will thank you all for not comprehending the consequences of NO EXPERIENCE and ignoring what that means in this freefall of a national crisis.

I'd like to point out that the Republican's idiot Bush and "26 years in the Senate" McCain who caused this "freefall of national crisis" had already been in office for a while, and so really can't be called inexperienced.

Experience is only as good as the person wielding it.

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