Bill Clinton could hardly be called a religious man yet under his leadership we had relative peace and prosperity in this nation.

Under Bush, a supposedly seriously religious person, we get a war which has killed thousands and an economy which is anything but reliable for a job, high gas prices, and oh by the way, you must turn to the FBI (Faith Based Initiative) if you need help because funding for non religious aid organizations has been all but wiped out (how Christian).

I have seen far more christian behavior and attitude from those who are supposedly not christian than I have from the right, who seem determined to have a gun in every home, a death penalty for everything, and a reason to go to war on a guess. And dont even ask about forgiveness-they are the most unforgiving people in the world.

Religion is like politics. The more someone says they are religious, the more you should be concerned about their state of mind and the actions they will persue if you give them power.

GOD created all that there was, all that thre is and and all that there will be.

I doubt anybody could keep GOD out of anything. GOD is in us all (yes even atheists).

I guess what you are talking about is electing a secularist to office who professes none of his/her religious beleifs publically.

Your comments about Bush reveal your political bias. No objective person could call our current economy anything but robust (our economy has changed little since the Clinton years it is onlyslightly better now than then.

As for the war we have approximately 3500 Americans KIA (+/- 200 or so) and there are only 10,000 or so wounded Americans. The KIA/ Casualty rate as far as wars go is extremely low. This war on Terrorists (in Afganistan, Iraq and around the globe) is as important for us to win as WWII was for our parents/grandparents. The stakes in this war are nothing less than our freedoms that we hold so dear especially the freedom of religious choice in this nation.

I don't know about you but I don't plan on converting to Islam at the point of a sword anytime soon and without the WOT te Islamofacists may just gain enough power to take their plans for global islam to our doorstep.

As far as social services are concerned I hope the programs GWB hs started with the faith based initiave will ultimately lead to the government giving up the riducoulus notion that government should be responsible for administering such programs. If you truly beleive in "separation of church and state then you shold be happy when the government gets out of the "church business" by ending all federal social welfare programs (an area that is traditionally that of the church not the government)

Good Day!

TexasPete

Pete--

Bush lied to start the war-therefore he was bearing false witness. And that is hardly the only lie he told since getting into office.

As for religious-screw your points. Jesus would never support Bush-not at all. He would not support pre-emptive war, he would not like Bushs war on the working class either.

As for the economy, you are an idiot. Milk is now over $5 a gallon, gas is over $3 a gallon, and we have a record in foreclosures on mortgages because people cannot pay them. If you consider the simple fact that wages went DOWN under Bush on avegage while the cost of living skyrocketed, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that the "robus economy" is measured by the stock market where the rich get richer, not the reality of working class America where no one can afford to buy stock-or fill their gas tank.

The war was based on a lie and has no connection to the WOT. Bin Laden remains free and living in Pakistan (our supposed allie) while Iraq is now one big ass training camp for Al Queida. Our own studies show that the number of terrorists has INCREASED and Iraq has become their training ground.

Go listen to that druggie Limbaugh and get your dose of kool-aid. The rest of us will add our voices to the 3/4 of the US population who wants Bush out and this waste of a war ended.

TexasPete:

This war on Terrorists (in Afganistan, Iraq and around the globe) is as important for us to win as WWII was for our parents/grandparents. The stakes in this war are nothing less than our freedoms that we hold so dear especially the freedom of religious choice in this nation.

Are you serious? If Bush (and yourself) thought that the War on Terror was "as important as WWII" then he would have reinstated the draft - pouring 8 million soldiers into the various campaigns that are being fought in this "war." Hell, I'd even take 1 million soldiers in Iraq, not the paltry 150.000 odd soldiers we have there now. I'll believe that claim when I see Bush putting in a proportional effort - and asking the nation for a proportional sacrifice. To claim otherwise is nothing but political gobbledy gook.

TexasPete:

I don't know about you but I don't plan on converting to Islam at the point of a sword anytime soon and without the WOT te Islamofacists may just gain enough power to take their plans for global islam to our doorstep.

Sometimes, I don't know which is worse: those who don't think that terrorism isn't a threat or those who get hysterical claiming that if we don't fight them in Iraq then the terrorists will come over here and set up an Islamic government...do you honestly believe that America is so fragile that a couple of nutjobs with some dynamite can topple our government, burn the constitution, AND convert the entire nation to Islam??

It's either the far right's version of government choppers picking me up in the middle of the night, or hysterical fearmongering.

I for one won't fall for it.

While I agree that the WOT is neccessary, I also recognize that wars come in different flavors-WWII required lots of people and lots of machinery because thats how the other side was fighting.

This war is being fought by an enemy on a budget with careful criminal-style thinking since they have small numbers of people and little budget.

You dont try to fight terrorists with planes and bombs-in fact I would argue that chances are your strategy will make MORE terrorists as your bombs fall on multiple innocent people who once ignored Mulsim extremists-but now with a dead relative or friend, you may well be angry enough to join them.

This administration is ignorant and its supporters equally so. To basically say anyone wants us to lose who doesnt agree with Bush is to show your ignorance. No one wants to see terrorists win, but no one wants to support a failed policy which doesnt work either. No one is calling for an end to the WOT. Just an end to the stupid management of it.

True, planes and bombs aren't useful for the current campaign,

but troops, oh troops would have been nice to have when we invaded...you know so we could have maybe, oh i dont know, stabilized the country, maintained security. maybe if wed have had a sizeable force in place, this whole civil war thing wouldnt have happened.

we didnt have enough troops in to keep the bottle closed, now the genies out and hell bent on tearing iraq to pieces.

GOD created all that there was, all that thre is and and all that there will be.

I doubt anybody could keep GOD out of anything. GOD is in us all (yes even atheists).

"God" isn't in me. Usually, the people who have "god" inside them have evicted common sense to make room for him.

I guess what you are talking about is electing a secularist to office who professes none of his/her religious beleifs publically.

Your comments about Bush reveal your political bias. No objective person could call our current economy anything but robust (our economy has changed little since the Clinton years it is onlyslightly better now than then.

See what I mean? How bout some evidence of this"robust economy"?

As for the war we have approximately 3500 Americans KIA (+/- 200 or so) and there are only 10,000 or so wounded Americans. The KIA/ Casualty rate as far as wars go is extremely low. This war on Terrorists (in Afganistan, Iraq and around the globe) is as important for us to win as WWII was for our parents/grandparents. The stakes in this war are nothing less than our freedoms that we hold so dear especially the freedom of religious choice in this nation.

Bullshit. The "war on terrorism" is unwinnable. In WWII, all we had to do was unseat dictators.

I don't know about you but I don't plan on converting to Islam at the point of a sword anytime soon and without the WOT te Islamofacists may just gain enough power to take their plans for global islam to our doorstep.

And how can you stop them? I mean, without sacrificing everything that made this country great, like civil liberties, an open government, etc.?

As far as social services are concerned I hope the programs GWB hs started with the faith based initiave will ultimately lead to the government giving up the riducoulus notion that government should be responsible for administering such programs. If you truly beleive in "separation of church and state then you shold be happy when the government gets out of the "church business" by ending all federal social welfare programs (an area that is traditionally that of the church not the government)

Religious people don't have a monopoly on caring for your fellow man. In today's society, they seem to be the majority of the people who selfishly ignore the many who fall thru the cracks of this broken society - unless it's for a photo op in a fund-raising campaign. I will really be happy when churches start paying their share of taxes and stop saddling others to make up the churches' share of property tax.

Good Day!

TexasPete

God calls someone with your ideas foolish. Study the word and then you can say we are wrong. Before long we will have the same stuff going on in our streets as Iraq, you'll be dead.