...is Hillary. For every Chris Matthews there is a Gail Collins or a Rebecca Traister, repeating the dubious line that Hillary was the "smart girl" while Barack Obama was the "pretty boy," even though there was no good reason to think Hillary was smarter than a man who was editor of the Harvard Law Review. But for months, that was the line reported by women reporters and columnists. Of course, its possible that they were being racists rather than sexists, but I'm being charitable.

Or maybe I'm mistaken, and women reporters have actually held Hillary accountable for taking credit for S-Chip and the FMLA when she actually had nothing whatsoever to do with these accomplishments? Maybe Hillary wasn't crowned the inevitable nominee last summer by the media? Maybe a man would actually get to be a credible candidate for President because he was married to someone who was president? Maybe not.

Except she *did* have very much to do with S-CHIP and she did not take credit for FMLA.

Who is going to hold you accountable for your inability to do research?

I'm sorry your gender hasn't helped your ability to make good arguments. Maybe you should let your penis type for you.

As if we needed more evidence that it is the Clinton camp which has shown the vast majority of the sexism (and ageism) in this campaign you come along to make a belittling penis crack about someone who dared question the "goddess of peace"

He made it about gender (while also getting his facts wrong and failing to mention that Clinton was an editor of the Yale Law Journal). So I made it about gender as well. And "the goddess of peace?" HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

You people are seriously ridiculous. It's so funny because none of Clinton's supporters believe these things about her, nor does she make statements like that about herself. But Obama supporters feel perfectly okay hyperbolizing Clinton's campaign...maybe because they're so used to the hyperbolization that comes along with Obama's campaign and they're bitter because it's so obviously been blown out of proportion (and has been made somewhat of a joke) that they need to project in order to gain back some dignity (but you're not doing a very good job of it and you're not going about it in the right way, are you?).

You have made an artform of "the pot calling the kettle black." The "vast majority" of sexism comes from Clinton supporters because I made a penis joke? That is so *funny.* You are so ridiculous, ao perfectly willing to play fast and loose with reality that it's a laugh riot :).

S-Chip was written by a republican senator, Orrin Hatch, in 1993 and was opposed by the Clinton White House. Orrin Hatch, WHO WROTE THE BILL, said Hillary deserved no credit for the bill. And he was the one who wrote the bill, so I think that trumps your lame penis joke. Hillary Clinton opposed any health care bill that wasn't HER health care bill(just ask former Senator Jim Cooper), and in consequence didn't get universal health care, which was the one thing she was given responsibility for while first lady. Apart from parachuting into sniper fire in Bosnia, of course.

As for FMLA, her surrogate, Martha Burk, gave her credit for "rolling up her sleeves" and passing FMLA, when the Clinton White House merely signed a bill written by Chris Dodd in the mid-eighties and passed for the third time on the first day of the 1993 session of congress. Bill Clinton didn't veto it like Bush the First did, but nobody in the Clinton admin had to "roll up their sleeves" or anything else to get it passed. Of course, its possible Hillary didn't know her surrogate gave her credit for FMLA, but I doubt that. Its also possible that Hillary secretly coached the Denver Broncos to their two super bowl wins in the 90's and invented the DVD, but I doubt it.

If the media had parsed her resume the way they attacked John Edwards haircuts, Barack Obama's middle name, or his flag pin, Hillary would never have been the front-runner in the first place. She isn't smarter than Barack Obama just because women like Gail Collins said so. She wasn't "experienced" because people like Joan Walsh say so. And a lack of scruples doesn't make you a "fighter" just because Gloria Steinem writes a silly op-ed column saying so.

Valmont, you're oversimplifying, to a grand extent, the evolution of S-CHIP. Read it's history on Wikipedia, if the mind numbing complication of its evolution doesn't...numb your mind. You'll see the Clinton was instrumental in its development.

Clinton never claimed to be responsible for FMLA, she said she helped it to pass (which, for all I know, means she went to the 7-11 to get more pens). I don't know what role she played, all I know is that she never claimed responsibility for FMLA. She did introduce legislation to expand it, however.

And the media did parse Clinton--they discussed her age, her hair, her clothing, her cleavage, her laugh, her facial expressions, the size of her booty, etc. etc. etc.

And Clinton is smarter than Obama (well, I don't know if she's smarter than Obama, but she's certainly no drooling idiot) because she's obviously smart. She went to Wellesley, then Yale, was an editor of the Yale Law Journal, and was a partner at the Rose Law Firm. Then she served two successful terms as US Senator and ran for President. I think, in any rational world, that that constitutes a pretty intelligent person, don't you think? Obama did win, but by a fraction of a percent, and in some aspects, he actually lost. Clinton still beats McCain by a larger percentage nationally than Obama does.

So, you might have some chip on your shoulder against feminists or whatnot, but that doesn't erase the facts that sit right in front of your face.

Are you seriously using wikipedia as a source? Hilarious. Hiillary was not instrumental to writing or passing S-CHIP, anymore than she "helped pass" FMLA. The Clinton administration opposed S-CHIP, just as they opposed every other attempt to reform health care that wasn't their plan, which is why we didn't get universal health care. Nobody in the Clinton white house had anything to do with passing FMLA, at all. And proposing expanding FMLA is an accomplishment? Okay. I propose that everybody gets free ice cream. **bwang!!** There. Hows your ice cream? I didn't say Hillary wasn't smart; I pointed out that it was sexist to assume that hillary was smarter than Obama, with no real evidence to back that up, and it was sexist for the media to repeat that nonsense for months. The fact that both of them were editors of ivy league law reviews just illustrates my point. And I wouldn't consider a senate term to be successful when the only thing she accomplished was to vote us into a war in Iraq. You know, the same war Barack Obama courageously opposed. And I don't have a problem with feminists, I have a problem with lying, unscrupulous, war-mongering race-baiting hacks who run for president and the journalist half-wits who anointed her the nominee last fall before anybody actually voted, and the sore losers who are blaming everybody but Hillary for her failure, etc. But seeing an actual Democrat nominated by the Democratic party makes it worthwhile. Enjoy your bile, Mercadia.

Your tits and vagina are probably all smarter than you.

Is that sexist?

valmont,

Yes I'm using wikipedia as a source--what are you using as a source?

Good lord you oversimplify everything, it's not really worth arguing with you. You're clearly not arguing with the rational part of your brain.

Enjoy your idiocy, valmont, I hope it takes you far in life.

Beaujoe,

No, it merely makes no sense.

Since your debate technique consists mainly of insulting me repeatedly, I find it amusing that you think that I'm the one being irrational. But I guess that just saying, "you're stupid" and "you've got a penis" and "shut up!" passes for rational argument for you? But there I go, oversimplifying again.

Yep, there you go, oversimplifying again.

It isn't the most well constructed post, but it is most definitely sexist, and I think that you are denying that, because it would force you to admit that belittling and diminishing someone's opinion because of the genitals they possess is indeed sexist.

And I argue that the initial post was sexist.

So if somebody implies that Hillary Clinton is not superior to Barack Obama, it must be sexist? Or is that how you try to win an argument, just saying they're sexist? That must go down a treat when you get pulled over by traffic cops for running over male pedestrians!

But if you still want to believe that the candidate that had the media anoint her as the automatic nominee, had a huge name recognition advantage, the entire party establishment on her side, a hundred million dollars, and the endorsement of the nytimes to boot, was the victim of sexism in this campaign, then be my guest.

I, however, think it is just possible that the candidate who repeatedly won the votes of people who claimed that gender affected their vote, benefited from sexism more than the guy who lost people who voted on the basis of gender.