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I'm less surprised that Hillary supporters are turning out to have no problem seeing a republican win in 08 as a result of their anger (bitterness?), as I am at the fact that there seems to be no backlash against Clinton for this.

I defended Hillary about 5 months ago before all this BS began to flow from her campaign, mostly because the charges against her character and conniving nature seemed a bit overblown. Well apparently everyone else foresaw this but not me, because if you had told me then that by June her campaign would John McCain's biggest asset. then I would have joined the chorus.

Why are hillary supporters, who supposedly want change, allowing this to go on?

It is pretty interesting that in 2000 the backlash against the Bush campaign, for his slanderous and stupid assault on Mccain, was minimal. There was a case of a campaign that really did act in a way that should have spit the party, but didn't. What does that say about republicans?

They want to threaten? Okay, how about a counter-threat?

Her minions cause Obama to lose....she becomes a PARIAH in the Democratic Party and we all start working on a primary challenger in New York for 2012?

neutral national press and the DNC actively campaing for Obama while deliberately painting Hillary as a racist and an advocate of assassination might . . . I say, I say . . . MIGHT . . . have something to do with it; plus McCain is a moderate republican while Obama is probably a radical democrat.

Since Hillary is also a moderate democrat it is only natural that Hillary supporters should consider leaving the party that just hosed them and voting for McCain instead.

middleview - Bush screwed McCain in 2000, but it wasn't a futile attempt. He actually had a chance of winning the nomination, unlike Hillary now, and he did. What Hillary is doing now looks more like a prep for a "told you so" moment, if not outright sabotage of her own party.

Gatewood - I agree that the media have been negative towards hillary from the start (though I dispute the notion that Obama got a "pass"). But I think that it is illogical and dare I say it, hysterical, for her supporters to jump to a different party (and a vastly different agenda) just because they feel treated unfairly. Its not like the Republicans are going to embrace their politics in exchange for their votes.

I'm going to call that the "Its My Party and I'll Cry If I Want Too" arguement.

I think we democrats have let this race get to our heads. The real general election battle is still not on our minds, and its making our arguements dangerously self-centered. Obama hasn't been able to make a strong foreign policy\security position speech, because he needs to keep differentiating himself from Hillary on that. Same with Healthcare.

Democrats need to remember that, even though Bush isn't on the ballot, this is still an anti-Bush election. Bush has been a transformative president especially in foreign policy, and McCain is in line to continue most, if not all, of those positions. In-fighting has shifted the focus away from getting things back on track towards personality politics between Hillary and Barack, which is stupid BS. And now the Florida\Michigan delegate situation is sounding more and more like Florida circa 2000.

Mitt Romney and John Edwards dropped out when it became clear they couldn't win the nomination, they at least made an attempt to salvage their image and some dignity.

The way I see it there are two candidates that are capable of running this country (forget party labels), my first choice...Hillary Clinton and second, John McCain. No sense listing all of the things wrong with Obama here..it's too depressing. Suffice it to say in my estimation is that he is a bad joke and the Democratic Party has sunk to an all time low by pushing this idiot on the American people. Hillary is center left, McCain center right, many of their views overlap. Biggest real issue is the war, and McCain is already starting to talk in terms of being well out of there by 2012. Also things are looking a lot better there lately...with troop levels declining. As a moderate / conservative Democrat, I have no problem voting for McCain. At this point my first and most important objective is to ensure that a weak and misguided individual like Obama does not get into the White House!

Mary Fitzpatrick -- Which of Hillary and McCain's views overlap? Hillary wouldn't want to hear that circulated, I'm sure. ("The differences between Obama and myself pale compared to the differences between us and McCain..")

He may be wrong, he may be right but stupid he is not. Perhaps your problem is that he is black? Are you sure you are not a racist?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but could Hillary supporters PLEASE stop being insulting.

I have no idea why you or any Clinton supporter thinks you're going to change anyone's mind or going to get any sympathy from others over "how everyone is mean to Hillary" when you're so busy spewing meanness out of your mouths about Obama.

If you're dead certain that you're not going to vote for him, OK. That's your right, but stop being rude. Stop being the people you claim you're so mad at.

My goodness, aren't we thin-skinned?!

This is the grade-school level attitude that the Obamatons have toward anyone who dares to disagree with them about their precious candidate.

So Obama can't be criticized cuz it's just plain mean and rude? Grow up!!

See, there it is.

Plain as day.

Perhaps the problem isn't the concern that Obama is a johnny-come-lately, unvetted cypher or a low-level pol being pushed by the Chicago Dem political machine and a bunch of old-time radical anarchists.

No, that can't be the reason someone doesn't like Obama, doesn't fall into lock-step with the rapturous white-guilt crowd.

The reason must be..........racism!!!.

Guess what. I don't like Obama, I don't want Obama (or any African-American candidate, for that matter). So go ahead and use te 'R' word on me. Use it to your heart's contentment. Then line up and kiss my ass.

Quit cheapening that word, and quit being so defensive about him.

change anyone's mind on these Fray boards from what I can see. They are merely speaking their opinion of Obama and and of Hillary and are being called racists and assassination mongers and other interesting things by Obamacrats in return.

Gosh, one might think that this is a political election!

Obamacrat intellectual children are the ones BELIEVING that an election can be run without acrimony. The very concept is stupid.

Hillary is going to lose, and I'm sure that most Hillary supporters are aware of that fact. But demanding or pleading that they shut up and grin and touch their forelocks in homage to Obama is not in the cards. We have read countless Obamacrats demand the disenfranchisement of half of the Democratic Party for a solid month now and we are a bit peeved. Go figure.

You ARE going to win. Be content with that. You won, but you won the hard and ugly way. Live with that and with the inevitable consequences while you are celebrating your victory.

Well, we "Obamacrats" certainly are going to win the nomination, but the election that I THOUGHT all democrats were all-for-one to win was the actual general election. I am now getting more and more convinced that the Clintons might see a Republican victory in November as being more advantageous to them in the long term. Regardless it seems that many of her supporters have no problem voting for someone who does not support their policies (hardcore hillary supporters are not centrists, they're just hillary supporters) because their favored candidate didn't get the nod.

Thats both shameful and scary to me. I would gladly, gladly, vote for Hillary over McCain. If she had got the nomination, I wouldn't have jumped ship because of personal issues. I suppose everyone has their reasons, but I just don't understand them.

Hey, maybe I am a bit overoptimistic about how emotions run in politics, but this didn't happen in 2000 or 2004. When Dean tanked, people shrugged and went with Kerry, because democrats actually kept their agenda in mind. The actions of Hillary supporters indicate to me that they care more about their choice of figurehead rather than their choice of policies and solutions, or the well-being of their party.

In my real life I know hundreds of Hilly Supporters. Not one of them would dream of voting for McCain.

I have seen only one so called Senator Clinton Supporter who threatens to vote for the War Lover John. And that lady is posting on all the boards looking for attention. Not facts.

Clinton People will vote the issues.

Count on it

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It is a shame when people use the word racist when it doesn't apply. In your case, it is the correct use of the term.