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I will vote for Hillary Clinton
by gone_fishing

She has done much harm to the probable nominee of the Democratic party.

She has brought much happiness to John McCain and the Immoral Party (along with Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger).

She has sought to change the rules of the contest after it became clear she had lost in the race for elected delegates (more simply, she cheated).

But if she manages to convince the 90% of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates to vote for her, I will support her, I will make a campaign contribution, and I will vote for her.

The Republicans party have done incalculable damage to the country they pretend to love. I believe they should be held accountable and lose the public offices that have allowed them to hurt America.

And I believe that Hillary Clinton (or Barack Obama) can do good things for this country.

Re: I will vote for Hillary Clinton
by lattelibertarian

I second that.

It will ... not ... happen.

But if it does, and if she's cleared of suspicion (an assassination being the only event that could make her candidacy even half-plausible), I'll vote for her.

Dems in '08!

Re: I will vote for Hillary Clinton
by LithMike

Her "assassination" comment should automatically prohibit her from ever becoming the Democratic Party nominee. Hillary is smart enough to know the racial hatred that still exists in certain parts of this country. She used the race card in WV, for example, and this type of person doesn't forget. For her to then subtlety suggest assassination might occur is unforgivable. She put the idea out there and should be forced to live with it for the remainder of her political career.

Re: I will vote for Hillary Clinton
by RM77

To say that Hillary Clinton is damaging the Democratic Party and helping McCain is ridiculous. Obama & Clinton agree on everything except for miniscule differences here and there. Therefore, she has to contest on the basis of personality and experience. How else can she compete. There has been nasty fights in the past, like that between Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter. What is happening now is nothing compared to that.

Hillary is a tough fighter and she has proven so. In South Dakota, the Argus Leader endorsed her saying that she is the strongest candidate. DNC and the media do not like that. The media has crowned Obama long ago. All the more reason that she fights it to the end. Hundreds of supporters contribute to her weekly even now. For their sake she should fight on till the end.

Even on coming Tuesday Obama may have the majority of delegates. But please remember the superdelegate votes can be counted officially only after the roll call at Denver. Until then all the superdelegate votes are uncommitted, but leaning.

Clinton did make lot of mistakes and she is not perfect. That does not mean that she does not deserve every consideration. If you read the blogs on Hillary web site, you will see that lots of people believe in her. Joe Biden said it best, Hillary is the strongest woman politician in America today. Hats off to her.

I am a Hillary supporter and I will probably stay home this November. It does not matter, because I live in a red state!

Re: I will vote for Hillary Clinton
by MaryAnne
My State was turning blue,but I will abstain or write None of the above,if the Diebold machines have that option.
Re: I will vote for Hillary Clinton
by pwoxby

"In South Dakota, the Argus Leader endorsed her saying that she is the strongest candidate. DNC and the media do not like that."

Another cruel and ironic twist for Hillary Clinton. The Argus Leader endorsed Clinton on May 30, just three days ago. <link>

Now, if the Argus Leader had made this endorsement at the beginning of the campaign, we'd be saying "Barack who?" at this point. How many Obama supporters even know that Clinton is pro-cellulosic ethanol?

As the Argus Leader knows, it is wedge issues like that that Clinton should have exploited. If there is one issue that West Virginians understand, it's corn-based ethanol. Same thing in Kentucky. If Clinton had promoted grass clippings to hooch to these good people, she would have gotten 101% of the vote.

Well, I hope that the editorial board janitor at the Argus Leader has learned the lesson of Matthew 25:14-30. Don't bury your talents in the ground.

Obama/Clinton 08!

Maryann: In other words, let Lilly Ledbetter suck eggs
by gone_fishing

Because you are doing your part to make McCain president.

And according to John McCain, any women who is hired for half of what her equally qualified male co-workers should face literally insurmountable obsticles in obtaining justice.

And when McCain lets the insurance companies to be regulated by the state of their choosing (as is already the case with credit cards), no insurance company will ever have to worry about providing health care for women equal to that for men, and women who have C-sections will just have to suck it up and pay higher premiums, and no one will have the right to challenge the profit based decision of the insurance company except before the industry owned arbitrators.

The bottom line is that Hillary would be ashamed of you, for supporting McCain. You should be too. But it is still your choice.

Re: I will vote for Hillary Clinton
by maxpractical
RM77 You still think it's somehow noble for Hillary to 'fight on' and perpetuate the division of the party and the wasting of all those campaign dollars? And then you have the gaul to say you are going to stay home? You are a NEOCRAT!! If Mcain gets elected and attacks Iran it will be fools like you that are to blame (like the fools that voted for Nader in 2000). If Hillary were to graciously, while there's a shred of grace still available, bow out, and ask her rabid fans to please unite with the rest of the party , then maybe she could have a positive affect, but right now it still looks like her ambition exceeds her care for the country and Bills legacy is shot. He's gone from revered elder statesman to shill and it's all because Hillary started out as unstoppable but then stopped herself with pathetic campaign practices, and now she can't believe she's blown it . ..
Links to back up what I said
by gone_fishing

Something you should read on how John McCain would eliminate any responsibility for the health insurance companies.

McCain opposes equal pay for women

Re: Links to back up what I said
by pwoxby

"McCain opposes equal pay for women."

Never, never in a million years, did I ever think I'd come to John McCain's defense on anything. Not in a billion years.

And yet here I am to defend McCain. Two points: McCain does not oppose equal pay for women. He opposes government mandating equal pay for women. Second point: McCain opposes mandates with good reason.

While McCain's reason about an explosion of litigation clogging the courts is valid, that is not the biggest problem with this ill-conceived election year pander.

What a government mandate would do would be to create chaos not just in the courts, but far worse chaos in the workplace. Do we really want half the American workforce going to work every day wondering if they have a legal basis for suing their employer? Think about it.

The gender gap in pay is closing. Maybe not fast enough, but it is closing. Solving a problem that is getting better by creating a far bigger problem that will get worse is, to be succinct, nuts. It is exactly this kind of liberal nostrum that gives conservatives the ammunition they need to bash liberals and liberalism.

Barack Obama promises to change old-style politics. His old-style political pandering is deeply disappointing to me.

Obama?/Clinton 08!

I believe you are misinformed
by gone_fishing

The bill in question the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2008, would have exactly restored the interpretation of the existing law to what was understood to be the case for the last 20 years.

The law says (and still says) that it is illegal to intentionally discriminate against an employee on the basis of gender. Proving such discrimination is no small feat, but Lilly Ledbetter proved her case before a jury, which means that it has been proven in her case as a matter of law.

Goodyear appealed the ruling on the basis of the assertion that she should have filed within 180 days of the discriminatory act. Of course it was literally impossible for her to do so since it was impossible for her to know she was hired at 50% of the salary of her equally qualified male co-workers.

For the last 20 years, the courts have ruled that every pay check was as a matter of law a continuation of the act of illegal pay discrimination in cases like this.

The Lilly Ledbetter fair pay act restored the law to the previous understanding. It is therefore illogical to assert that passing this would result in a flood of ill-advised litigation. It returns us to the status quo ante.

As for McCain, he has a perfectly good reason to turn his back on fairness and illegally discriminated women and any other principle he may have once held. His soul was the price of the Republican nomination.

Re: I believe you are misinformed
by pwoxby

Hmm... yes, I was misinformed... by your reference. Anyway, thanks for adding the missing background.

Obama/Clinton 08!

Re: I believe you are misinformed
by Gatesta
Wow. What sharing. What give and take. What discourse. Shut up already.

Your bleeding heart is in liberal rage. No, your liberal rage is in my bleeding heart. Two, two, two ineffectual emotions in one. You know what that means. McCain's presidential coup.

Wow, mothers were right. You don't have to read any of the posts to answer them.
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