The first is that when an alien receives a deportation order and then becomes a fugitive alien by reason of his failure to return to his home country a fugitive WARRANT is issued.

Second illegal aliens are not known for their honesty or for having accurate identification so it is quite easy for them to re-engineer their identities.

Arrests are not taking place based on skin color. ICE officers are tasked with returning fugitive aliens to their nation of origin. Becuase the overwhelming amount of illegal aliens are from hispanic nations south of the US most fugitive aliens are going to be hispanic. I am absolutely positive that if the person on the alien fugitive warrant is from Russia they will be looking for a Russian person (not somebody with brown skin).

ICE agents I am sure receive warrants for fugitive aliens and sort them into batches by neighborhood (it only makes sense) therefore I would not expect Raids to be limited to one house when they can raid 5 with not much more effort.

The citizens who were detained and are sueing the government for violation of their 4th amendment rights may or amy not have a legitimate case. The fact they have filed suit does not mean their cases have merit. I am sure that a fugitive warrant was issued for a person in that household with the same name and general description as the citizen detained perhaps this was even by design.

The fact we are enforcing laws now that have not been enforced since their passage in the Reagan Administration and Americans are insisting we start before we even consider another amnesty bill means the press who opposes enforcement and supports amnesty will simply report things that are not true or they will fail to report certain facts in order to support their POV.

Lastly whatever the conditions are in detention centers they are far better than the garbage dumps in Mexico city where many of these deportees came from. If they don't like being deported then they should have never come here.

Texas Pete's confidence in government processes and the law-abiding nature of this administration leaves me wondering if he spent a lot of time this past Easter waiting for the Bunny to bring him chocolate....

Really -- a little recognition of our goverment's propensity to dispense with the niceties of law when pursuing its agenda might be in order.

octobia:

Texas Pete's confidence in government processes and the law-abiding nature of this administration leaves me wondering if he spent a lot of time this past Easter waiting for the Bunny to bring him chocolate....

Really -- a little recognition of our goverment's propensity to dispense with the niceties of law when pursuing its agenda might be in order.

Of course you are one of those people who beleive all the lies about torture, suspensioon of Habeas Corpus, and all the lies about the "wire tapping"

I listen to the news sort our the BS and form an educated opinion. I don't see that the administration have violated any laws or the constitution in anything it has done. All I see is that GWB has succeed in pission off liberals merely becuase he had the gall to win the presidential election not only once but twice. Anything else y'all say about him is just a lie to support your hatred for him.

octobia:

Texas Pete's confidence in government processes and the law-abiding nature of this administration leaves me wondering if he spent a lot of time this past Easter waiting for the Bunny to bring him chocolate....

Really -- a little recognition of our goverment's propensity to dispense with the niceties of law when pursuing its agenda might be in order.

BTW GWB is on the liberal side of this question he actuallt supports AMNESTY for illegals.

"GWB is on the liberal side of this question he actuallt supports AMNESTY for illegals."

Alas very few of our elected officials will take a stand on this issue. McCain will be worse on this than W, his earlier attempts at sneaking amnesty through, with T. Kennedy, is all the proof you need.

The hispanic population is a large voting block. Those elected to higher office, have as their first priority, to get re-elected. They will not do anything to jeopardize that goal, and it is pathetic.

Yes, the police state is good. It can do no wrong. Let us all worship.

Bennett is misleading in suggesting that the Aguilar and Reyes raids were motivated purely by race. The facts that she left out are that Aguilar's ex-husband and Reyes' father were both specifically targeted as alleged illegal aliens. The detentions may indeed be wrongful and actionable, but it doesn't appear that these families were targeted solely on racial grounds.

djindra:

Yes, the police state is good. It can do no wrong. Let us all worship.

djindra,

There is no police state in America. Police are necessary for many functions in a free state one of them is immigration enforcement.

A police state is one in which free thought, free speech and individual liberties are supressed by the states use of police.

Since you are free to say this is a police state with absolutely no fear or reprisial it is a good indication we are not living in a police state.

A correction to the one piece of factual information contained in TexasPete's original post:

Nearly all of the "warrants" that are issued for those who do not leave when ordered to do so (even if they don't know they've been so ordered) are not the kind of warrants that are used in criminal proceedings, which have to be signed by a neutral magistrate; instead, these "warrants" are signed not by a judge - but by an ICE agent. They are desk warrants, and for that reason, they do not authorize entry into a home.

Thus, when ICE agents conduct home raids, they must have the consent of the occupants, as the author pointed out. Call it a warrant if you like, but it doesn't let them do whatever they want - the author had this right (and nothing else Pete said disputed anything factual).

How about we just announce that we're really serious and hope that 12 million people decide it's time to leave?

And if people are tired of the crappy conditions in the detention center, stop fighting deportation and go home. I'm sure your local doctor will provide stellar health care.

How about if we just admit we love a police state? How about if we finally admit we are cowards? The police state makes us feel safe.

We are quickly headed that way. A police state exists when the police can run over individuals and we can do nothing to stop them. They are not interested in many of our thoughts today, but that time is coming if we let big-government conservatives play with our government.

"How about if we just admit we love a police state? How about if we finally admit we are cowards? The police state makes us feel safe." How about we try and stop changing the subject? How about we admit that we have porous borders that do not help us remain safe from terrorists and drug smugglers? Let's get Mexico to actually do something for its own people so that they don't have to leave their homeland just to survive. Let's get control of our borders first, then take a good hard look at immigration quotas. Let in the ones that will have jobs waiting and will eventually become productive citizens, keep out those that want to live off our gov't tit.

Bush's position - essentially the creation of a new "untouchable class" bracero program - is hardly "liberal".

As for "amnesty" - since these are "civil" laws not criminal laws, that means they are no more serious than speed-limit laws.

The difference is that if you break an immigration law, you don't really harm anyone. In fact the whole basis of immigration law is largely based on 100+ year old racially motivated policies.

OTOH if you break the speed limit, you are contributing to the increased risk we all face on the highways and which causes a new 9/11 roughly every 20 days.

So should we use this same level of harsh enforcment against speeders? After all, they are cintributing to a new 9/11 every month....

There are two kinds of warrants for fugitive aliens. One is the Criminal Fugitive alien warrant issued by a court magistrate the other is an Administrative warrant issued by the DRO.

The first I mentiond gives ICE authority to enter and search for the person named. The second authorizes "Knock and talk" with no entry authorized. I presume criminal fugitive alien warrants were the ones discussed in this story since the ICE agents entered the home.

I would be concerned if I thought these were administrative warrants they were serving.

ICE often goes on raids where they have an administrative warrant but another agency has a warrant for another reason. Piggybacking an administrative warrant on a criminal warrant is just good sense. Another agency serves a criminal warrant and ICE gets to talk without knocking.

Regardless the article left out many facts one would need to be informedabout what is happening on this subject. The article is a one sided trap designed to lead the reader into being outraged for no good reason.