Sorry TP, but I think the spot actually does quite a good job at conveying three points:

1) sex is fun ,

2) all sort of people enjoy it in all sort of pairings

3) these facts are not edited out of European movies as they are out of US movies.

So I think this video aptly demonstrates the more grown-up behaviour of EU films in dealing with nakedness and people making love. It's a real plus, so why not show it?

I personnally find people killing each other much more offending than naked bodies. Unfortunately Hollywood clearly censors very differently. See "Mr and Mrs. Jones" for a good example of this mixture of death-cult and prudishness: some kisses apparently count as "steamy" here, and how many people get killed in entertaining ways?

European cinema might be underdeveloped in many ways, but on average it lacks that fetish for violence and obsession with cutting out such disturbing things as nakedness and sex in mainstream movies.

Is not this US shyness about getting naked rather adolescent... ;)

There's a difference, however, between mature and de-moralized depictions of human behavior and slapping together a copulation collage and passing it off as representative of the cinema of a continent. Maybe European attitudes toward sex are more mature, maybe they're just more licentious, but the clip in question certainly mangles any expression of maturity with its equation of 'love' and sex.

@ Planetary Eulogy

Hm, but I would think that using sex as a symbol for love is quite common, no?

And if you agree that the aim was to show de-moralized sexual behaviour, i.e. something which is between the people in question and not to be morally judged from the outside, than it should not matter if a possible interpretation mangles sex and love, as you say.

The point I was trying to make is rather that the distinction moral / not moral is possibly less applied to sex and nakedness in European films (and maybe more to the act of inter-actor maiming). The clip is certainly not representative of the whole European cinema (but then, what clip would be?), but does rather well in showing this aspect without any further moral message in my (probably biased) eyes.

I realize that isn't a popular sentiment on Liberal boards, but sex isn't required in films. It doesn't add anything that can't be contibuted in other ways.

I won't comment on violence, but your enjoyment of nudity seems more desperate and pleading than sensible.

How many people do you know that are truly comfortable with their bodies?

How many people do you know that are truly comfortable with their own sexuality?

How many people do you know that are truly comfortable with other peoples sexuality?

Sex and sexuality are both very uncomfortable subjects for a lot of people. and not just in this country, women are not even allowed to show their faces in public in some countries. so why is it adolescent of us to not flaunt it in everyone's face?

I enjoy sex, i'm fairly comfortable with myself, does that mean that i should go around and copulate in front of everyone i know and meet?

And why is it that certain people feel that we are in some way "inferior" to Europeans because we don't have the same set of moral standards and ideals. If they are truly so much better than us, why are they second chair on the global stage?

A lust for everything European seems to be a particular Liberal fetish. It annoys me to no end, the amount of awe, respect, and authority given to Europe and their political, social, and gender models.

While I don't think they are somehow inferior to us based on world economic standings or political clout, I don't find them to superior to us. But I notice that it's easier for a people to criticize this country and support a foreign one rather than realize those foreign countries have just as many faults as we do. I notice he didn't speak of sexual morals in Japan, China, Korea, or India. Korea and India make the US look downright Libertine - does that make them inferior to us in his eyes?

I posted the following the other day under "Family". Just getting to know your system, so I'll move it here.

Reading this predictable piece fails to make one laugh. The trailer is 1) not shocking to Europeans, and 2) rather silly and fun.

This evening <now "the other">, we were walking back from a restaurant here in CH and could not help but take note of six middle-aged Americans (seemingly corporate couples, perhaps tourists, but from the women's dresses, I think expats) around our age (late 40s). They didn't really look it at a glance. One had to look at skin tone to tell. All were well above a healthy weight, and the three women were simply overweight. Nonetheless, I could not help but here bits of conversation and know that they are very nice people.

Rather than worry about the few thousand euros for a fun spot promoting our infiinitely--and more honestly--sexual films, would some journalist there please look more closely at what is in your food supply (hormones, hormones, hormones, anti-biotics, antidepressants, Valium)? Then your people may once again appreciate a healthy and fun groan in the bed rather than from the water closet. <<And also not feel uncomfortable about their bodies, as has been noted here. We're of the same genetic material here and are well known for self-respect and good taste in clothing, as well. We still like the human form, our own forms and young and ageing forms--and the desires they stir.>>

On this point, I'm pleased to be arrogant and rude. We live longer here, still enjoy smoking (no ban coming in Switzerland), and still enjoy eating and sex.

btw--our films show more sex and action, but you will note there are usually fewer rude and imbicilic words in our sexy dialogues. <<I will add that violence is much more of concern here, even with our kids, who seem to lose interest in your blockbusters after age 14. The internet is another discussion, and we likely share more concerns there. Nonetheless, we don't go on and on about it.>>