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The Dumbest Democrat?
by Ironman

Is Maxine Waters the dumbest Democrat in office, or, is she the typical Democrat in office?

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Does Obomba agree with her? Most likely.

Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by middleview

Nobody has tried to come up with a plan to nationalize the oil industry. Waters was flapping her lips because she was pissed. The oil companies take part in Opec profits through their Revenue Sharing agreements, but then try to tell us that they are the victims.

Does anyone actually think that if we drill in Alaska that the price of gas will go down? McCain is talking about building refineries, but there has only been one application to build one in 15 years and that was approved. The oil companies have been closing refineries, not building new ones. I wonder why.

good point
by gmat
American refineries are operating somewhere around 82% capacity, so I don't think lack of refineries is a problem. It's just a better deal to do the refining elsewhere where it costs less, and ship in the gasoline.

The contribution to supply that ANWR would make is insignificant.

I think we're looking at stagnant supply, sharply increasing demand, with geopolitical risk premium staying high.

The obvious policy direction, if the governemnt's going to get involved in any way, would be toward replacing a significant fraction of US oil consumption with a product that is more plentiful here, ie, natural gas.

Shift natural gas away from power generation (replace it with nuclear, wind, solar, and coal) and use it for transportation.

Re: good point
by Ironman

ANWR is not the only location of crude.

The Northern Slope alone has 10 billion plus barrels.

Off the western coast of Florida is one of the largest finds in the WORLD. Cuba and Venezuela are going to get that oil as we sit around sucking our thumbs.

In the continental US there are numerous locations that are not being drilled, the above are but a few of the known popular ones.

Ignoring these sights and hoping alternative fuel sources will be available in time to head off a catastrophe is ridiculous, sophomoric strategic planning at best.

We need a comprehensive energy policy that allows the exploitation of these reserves while simultaneously evolving alternative fuels and the infrastructure that will be necessary to distribute such fuels.

Also included is a far reaching nuclear energy program to get us of fossil fuels.

Until any of this is addressed, we are just whistling past the grave yard.

Why are the DEM'S against any further development of oil in our country?

When are the DEM'S apposed to Nuclear power?

Re: good point
by raptor5618

When Hillary talked about cutting the gas tax it was bla bla supply and demand this and economist that.

Prices go up and it is a conspiracy of the Oil companies. Come on you Obama lovers, you cannot have it both ways. I am sure Obama the socialist would love to nationalize the oil companies.

The Oil companies are not to blame and they are not how we will fix the problem. If we as a nation want to stay with oil then we start getting oil wherever we can to increase supply and at least control price as demand is worldwide so there still will be external pressure. If we do not want to do that the cost of oil will rise.

We could take drastic steps to dampen demand. I would guess we are not going to do that. Again the outcome is a consequence of our actions.

I agree that our government needs to have some plan but so far all their help (ethanol) has been a disaster. It is my guess what will ultimately turn things around is going to come from the private sector.

There really needs to be some straight talk in this country. I think that perhaps this is a reflection of how we have chosen to raise our kids. Competition where there are no winners and no losers, praise for just doing something wrong equal to seceding so they feel good about themselves, and lastly always blaming problems on their friends, society, or just bad luck. Our kids have an overwhelming sense of entitlement that is not tied to their own achievement.

In a way I think that is what Obama has tapped into. Blame everyone else for what is going on and when there is a problem put the burden on someone else.

Tax the rich, tax businesses, make businesses pay for national health car, make it harder to accumulate capital by taking more and more of it away.

The DEMS are keeping us from drilling off Florida?
by gmat
Dems like Jeb Bush, you mean?

The North Slope has 10 billon bbl? How many per day will it produce? Starting when? Those are the numbers you need.

US consumes 20M bbl/day, imports 12M.

World demand is currently 87M bbl/day and growing, world supply is 85M bbl/day and not growing.

Ignoring these sights and hoping alternative fuel sources will be available in time to head off a catastrophe is ridiculous, sophomoric strategic planning at best.

Replace natural gas power generation with nuclear, wind, solar, and coal. All of those are available now. Move natural gas to transportation to replace oil. Technology already available NOW.

Sound expensive? How expensive is importing 12M bbl/day of oil at $130/bbl? How about when it hits $150.


Re: good point
by Reptilicus
Ironman:

ANWR is not the only location of crude.

The Northern Slope alone has 10 billion plus barrels.

Off the western coast of Florida is one of the largest finds in the WORLD. Cuba and Venezuela are going to get that oil as we sit around sucking our thumbs.

In the continental US there are numerous locations that are not being drilled, the above are but a few of the known popular ones.

Ignoring these sights and hoping alternative fuel sources will be available in time to head off a catastrophe is ridiculous, sophomoric strategic planning at best.

We need a comprehensive energy policy that allows the exploitation of these reserves while simultaneously evolving alternative fuels and the infrastructure that will be necessary to distribute such fuels.

Also included is a far reaching nuclear energy program to get us of fossil fuels.

Until any of this is addressed, we are just whistling past the grave yard.

Why are the DEM'S against any further development of oil in our country?

When are the DEM'S apposed to Nuclear power?

So why didn't Bush and the GOP Congress get started on all that stuff back when THEY were in charge?

Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by NickD

Thats not entirely true.

Connoco Phillips has been trying for years to get the proper permits to double the size of a midwest refinery. Double the size.

The American Bottoms Conservancy, backed by the Sierra Club has been holding up the final permits for years. This refinery expansion when finished would allow for the refining of Canadian crude as well as the crude known as "Texas sweet". It would also cut many emissions that are currently being produced as the newer equipment uses more modern technologies.

At a time when the jobs created are desperately needed and at a time when our refinery capacities need to be increased the very hard left of the Democratic party is hurting itself by standing in the way of more efficient oil refinning and job creation.

Re: good point
by middleview

Gas prices go up and the profits of the oil companies have gone through the roof. The CEO of Exxon retires and gets a $500 million dollar goodbye kiss. Opec raises the price of oil and the oil companies get their share. (Look up Revenue Sharing Agreements and OPEC). Are you so sure that the oil companies aren't part of the problem?

Tax the rich? Would it be better to tax the poor? If the republicans hadn't run up the national debt to $10 trillion we could cut the budget by 25% because that is what we pay for interest on the debt. We are 8 years further along and no closer to a solution because we have a Vice President who invites oil companies to secret meetings to discuss national energy policy.

I'll happily give Obama a chance, since the republican alternatives are no chance at all.

Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by middleview

Got any links for this info? When I googled permits and refineries I only found one. The oil companies have shut down something like 250 refineries in the last 20 years. If building new ones cut into their profits, why would they want new ones?

Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by NightSwimmer

How many times have you pulled into a gas station and been refused service because of the "gasoline supply shortage"?

Why have we been constantly pumping oil back into salt mines for the past 71/2 years? What's the point in giving the oil corporations oil deposits owned by the federal government, then subsidizing the cost of drilling and pumping that oil back to the mainland; only to have the same oil corporations charge the American public the OPEC price for the oil that we just gave them?

We have practically abandoned the US steel industry. Why don't we have a "strategic steel reserve"?

Things that make you go Hmmm....

Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by middleview
just cuz your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.
Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by NickD

I sit on a few councils and committes regarding work and development in my area. We do not post our work on the internet.

Perhaps you could look for Connoco Phillips, air permits and Hartford. You might have some luck there. But I know for sure that this information is one hundred percent correct.

Try also Bechtel, Fluor and WGI. They all have billions of dollars worth of core work for this project under contract.

This same group also worked overtime to prevent Sun Coke from obtaining the needed permits they had to have to help U.S. Steel expand a mill in Granite City Il. They eventually failed and the permits were granted but their delays added tens of millions of dollars to the cost of the expansion.

Not everything that happens on this planet is pasted on the internet. I think thats a good thing.

Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by NickD

This country has not only practically abandoned the steel industry it has practically abandoned all of its industry.

In an quest for easy profits and cheap goods that we don't have to work for we have sold out this country.

The problems you mention are easy to fix if people would be willing to do what it takes to fix them. Buy products that are produced and made here and be willing to earn ones income. Too many people think that simply showing up for work should net them a big paycheck.

And too many people think that once one has gone to college they no longer have to apply themselves in the corporate world. Source their work to slave labor Asia and reap the profits.

Both practices need to come to a screeching halt.

Plus we have to be willing to accept some degradation of the environment if we want modern conveniences. The people I see coming to public meetings to oppose industry all show up in their own private SUVs and luxury cars, one per person, pull out wads of paper produced by their plastic computers and keyboards powered by electricity.

Re: The Dumbest Democrat?
by middleview

The steel industry did itself in. The people at the top paid themselves a fortune and the people at the bottom (in the mill) saw that as a good example and went on strike for 3 months vacation and $60k or $70k salaries for jobs that required no skill.

The administrations of both parties have signed treaties with countries allowing them to bypass any kind of environmental controls at the same time that our steel mills were being told not to dump waste in the rivers nor pump it into the air. I come from Pittsburgh and in the 50s and 60s, when there was no EPA and I can tell you that it was pretty bad then and when I think of all the people there who are out of work....it is pretty bad now.

Who is to blame? They all are. Were we ever given the choice to buy domestic or foreign steel? No.

I drive US made cars and try to buy US made goods. Seen any good American TV sets lately?

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