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I support Obama but...
by grout4cake
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not my fellow Obama supporters who seem intent on misrepresenting his message of unity in order to attribute evil intentions to the usual election rhetoric. If we lose it will be because some feel it is some kind of imperative to hate our opponent. She's not really our opponent, Mccain is, we want Hilary supporters on board with us.
Obama's ahead , Hilary's not so whats the motivation to distort and twist every little thing?.
Excellent question.
by FieldingBandolier

It seems that the people who are most vocally decrying the rift within the Democratic party are the ones most intent not on being "right", but on making Hillary (and by extension, her supporters) "wrong".

Not part of the solution - only part of the problem.

Obama/Clinton, 2008 (I hope)

Re: I support Obama but...
by Dhalgren

Perhaps the backlash against Hillary's latest, cold, brutal comment will make even her supporters leave the sinking ship.

We Obama supporters are portrayed as blinded by lust, irrational, mean, sexist, dipshits. And many of us are, especially those under the age of 30 (since many of them supported W in the wake of 9/11 and are now having a epiphany).

But Democrats - all Democrats - cannot tolerate a candidate hinting that she needs to keep her campaign running in case her opponent becomes ill, quits, or IS SHOT.

Re: I support Obama but...
by tishmort
Completely agree. The AP totally misrepresented what Hillary was saying. (Wonder why I don't believe most MSMs anymore?] But what I found so strange was that she was talking about California's primary in June being the deciding factor in 1968 and 1992 when the California primary this year IS SO OVER and the remaining primaries cannot give her the needed votes to win. Her position on MI and FL, I imagine, is what GWB would do - Change rules, do-overs, or cheat. She is not showing us a good person.
grout4cake revealed...
by Thevail

grout4cake:

Darling if you're going to pretend to be an Obama supporter who is just freaked out about how people are reacting to HRC little "slip" then maybe you shouldn't also write this.

"I don't really see the big deal or why she owes Obama an apology.Its in your minds what she meant, not hers.I'm sure she doesn't have the time to follow the blogs to know that some people fear for Obama's assasination, a statement that I often put in the "Obama as messiah" category. People are putting words in her mouth when all she's doing is saying "things happen even in the summer to change an election."
But since Obama supporters have a pathological need to paint her as racist , evil etc etc.( probably because their platforms vary so little)
I'm sure it will be blown up to her ordering a hitman.


People didn't get near this excited when it was discovered that the secret service were emailing racist, sexist jokes to each other, which seems far more scary in my mind.

But if you must have your demons, pile on.let's just hope your words are never used against you in the same way. " Yep that's your post in its entirety from a little down the page dimwit.
Portrayed by who?
by FieldingBandolier
Dhalgren:

Perhaps the backlash against Hillary's latest, cold, brutal comment will make even her supporters leave the sinking ship.

We Obama supporters are portrayed as blinded by lust, irrational, mean, sexist, dipshits. And many of us are, especially those under the age of 30 (since many of them supported W in the wake of 9/11 and are now having a epiphany).

But Democrats - all Democrats - cannot tolerate a candidate hinting that she needs to keep her campaign running in case her opponent becomes ill, quits, or IS SHOT.

There will always be vocal fringe elements in any party. You going to let your party be divided by this obnoxious minority? And then respond in-kind?

Be part of the solution. Lets find a resolution.

Because if Obama supporters can't get their head around party inclusion - an inclusion that allows Clinton supporters to continue feeling good about their candidate, then they will be alienating a slim minority of the Democratic party.

You'all might get the satisfaction of being "right", but it'll be slim satisfaction indeed, if we all end up having to get used to saying "President McCain".

Think about it.

Re: Portrayed by who?
by Thevail

I am tired of cry baby Clinton, and her "don't worry I have my blinkers on" supporters.

I have tried to be reasonable, and friendly, sympathetic, and logical by turn..I really have..look up my posts.

It doesn't seem to work very well.

All too often Hillary's supporters aren't allowing Obama supporters to feel good about our candidate either. We're just not going to put up with a bunch of BS when HE'S the one actually Winning.

I mean seriously, are we supposed to walk on egg shells so that Clinton supporters don't get their little feelings hurt while their candidate is losing, BUT We are supposed to hear about being "worshippers" rather than supporters, and "drinking the kool-aid" because we're obviously less intellectually mature than Clinton supporters, and how HE JUST CAN'T WIN...all WHILE he's kicking HER butt???

And further we're supposed to listen to Clinton supporters accept and encourage her tacit agrrement to CHEAT to get the nomination away from Obama. Listen to me...It will not do her ANY GOOD when there is not one tiny snowball's chance in HELL that she could possibly win without the black vote????

Newsflash..that would cost democrats the white house..period. No democrat has EVER won the white house without the black vote since there was a black vote.

But nobody wants to say that..OMG it's somehow sooo much more racist than saying Obama can't win without the white vote.

And today Clintonapolean blithely trots out the idea that she's staying in the race because...the winner might get assassinated.

Open your eyes, she may well have started out a great candidte, hell She may have even been the better one...but something has CRACKED.

I only pray it's her mind not just her facade.

The question is...
by FieldingBandolier

whether you, yourself, will make a conscious choice to be polarized, or not.

She said something really dumb - whether it was by design, exhaustion, taken out of context, or some combination of the three, I'm not inclined to debate. It was a dumb thing to say.

Do you understand the difference between being right, and making someone else wrong? If you feel wronged by the manner in which obnoxious Clinton supporters have portrayed you, are you sure you want to mimic them by responding in the same vein?

I hope to God that people in the Democratic party figure it out soon, because if we don't, we will lose.

Re: Portrayed by who?
by LithMike

I think we can all agree by now that Hillary would be pleased if McCain were elected President. That would mean that Obama has lost and Hillary now has another chance in 2012.

Otherwise, something unfortunate would have to happen to Obama this summer for her to remain a leader in the Democratic Party. Her words and actions throughout the campaign have shown her to be what she actually is. I'll let you figure out what that is. I sure would not have her as my VP though. The proximity to her obsession might be too much for her to tolerate.

Re: grout4cake revealed...
by grout4cake
revealed? wow you are some detective. ... I wrote it, in the same spirit I write this one- divided we fall.
Just as a thought exercise...
by FieldingBandolier

assume for a minute that I'm a Hillary supporter, that I'm rational, and that I'm disappointed she's going to lose the nomination. Now go back and read your comment.

If you extend this to the rest of the Democratic party, maybe you'll understand that - an uncomfortably slim minority of us would be offended by what you just said. Whether or not you believe it is another matter (of course).

But do you really want to do your part to exacerbate the party divide?

That's what I'm asking.

Re: grout4cake revealed...
by Thevail

I actually agree that divided we fall..

But no Obama supporter writes :

"But since Obama supporters have a pathological need to paint her as racist , evil etc etc."

I am infinitely happier if you are a Clinton supporter who wants to unite the party, that's great! Come on in the waters fine. But it sure sounds like you were saying your an Obama supporter upset with your fellow Obama supporters.

Re: The question is...
by grout4cake
Good reply . We need each other, we are not enemies, we share so many of the same goals.There is not one all good candidate and one all bad candidate, so why are we trying to create them in those images.?Our power to pick our battles is crucial to get to the W.H. it looks like it will be Barack - great - do we then have to stomp all over H.C and supporters?. Lets make it easy for them to get on board .
Re: I support Obama but...
by grout4cake
yes we but we can tolerate a candidate that makes a statement justfying staying in a race by using historical refernces to longer races in years past.And that was her point. And you know it!
A comparison of positions...
by FieldingBandolier

reveals that Clinton and Obama have a great deal in common. I prefer Clinton's positions, and for a number of reasons, would prefer she be the nominee.

She's not going to be.

So what? I'll vote for Obama without reservation, in the general election. I'll do it most happily if Hillary happens to be his running mate.

But there really is a divide within the Democratic party right now, and this really is something we should worry about. We just elected what is, arguably, the worst president in history. Twice. Both times, he was running against capable candidates.

The people who think this election is in the bag are naive.

Well we never learn?

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