Hillary ain't going to lay down for this turkey. He's going to have to win it.

She's much, MUCH stronger against McCain than Obama.

Obama v McCain is a horserace

but Clinton v McCain is a rout

At this point that is true. We will see in the future. My view is that as time goes on Obama goes down in the polls from where he is now. He already is swaying like a flag in the breeze and it will get worse. A lot of his stands insure he cannot win in Nov and he will have to change his positions.

That will be interesting as he tries to avoid being called a flip flopper while not changing so much that those who support him lose interest.

I think Hillary will keep going but The SD are not going to have the courage to do what they were put in place to do, which is select the candidate with the best chance of winning when the primaries do not declare a winner.

I think Hillary Clinton is dangerously close to ruining any chance at a future in politics.

You hit the nail on the head, I will put it more bluntly, the sd's are afraid of upestting the blacks, therefore it's hopeless for Hillary, even though she is the much stronger fall candidate.

entj4sure:

I think Hillary Clinton is dangerously close to ruining any chance at a future in politics.

I have to totally disagree. I think came into this race with a ton of baggage, a press corp that did not like the Clinton's and she was a female.

In spite of all this she carried on, never got shattered even in the face of some pretty harsh realities. In time I think that her strengths started to be recognized and now I believe that those who supported her feel even stronger about her now. One thing that no one can ever say about her is that she would wither in the heat. I think that is a trait that can only be shown when the person is actually in the fire.

I think the polls would bear out that she is more popular now than at any time during the campaign.

gmat:

She's much, MUCH stronger against McCain than Obama. Obama v McCain is a horserace but Clinton v McCain is a rout

Did you see the latest poll, where Obama beats McCain by eight points? Looks more like a rout than a horserace to me.

Its early yet but Obama's mistake at this point is letting the Republicans control the conversation about foreign policy. This does not speak well to his skill to running a national campaign. He may win a few nuanced points on foreign policy but he will, at the same time, continue to unnerve traditional democratic voting blocks such as those individuals living in South Florida. These Jewish voters are afraid of Iran and Hamas and will support the candidate who offers the best sense of the perceived thread.

And he should have campaigned in West Virginia and Kentucky. Even though he would have lost, he looked chicken by not even bothering to compete.

And, personally, I think he really blew it on the Florida and Michigan recounts. I have no doubt at this point he has lost Florida for the Democratic party by not supporting a counting of their votes. Michigan was his better argument for him but he never offered a fairer solution -- just reasons not to implement Clintons idea of a total revote.

And he really has to stop believing his own press. Most people in this country don't watch MSNBC. That bitter issue still resonates.

Its all very frustrating and I really don't want to lose in the fall.

AllThatJazz:

Did you see the latest poll, where Obama beats McCain by eight points? Looks more like a rout than a horserace to me.

I wish this poll meant more to me than it actually does. I don't really get much from national polls. I'm a lot more interested in statewide polling. We'll just have to see how that shapes up once the campaign gets rolling.

never national polls.

EVs are everything.

Most polls are meaningless, the only poll that counts is the one on Nov. 4th.

Perhaps if Mrs. Clinton had a better organized campaign, where she and her team did not underestimate Obama as a candidate and where she and her team had a plan B as in, a plan Beyond Super Tuesday, she would have been in a better position. If she hadn't ignored the so called "smaller" caucus states she would have been in a better position. Finally, if she hadn't voted in support of the war in Iraq she would have been in a better position.

She is a strong candidate. She came in with ALL the advantages; money, overwhelming superdelegate support and an instantly recognizable name. The establishment candidate. Yet she has been routed by a "neophyte". The nomination was hers to lose and that is exactly what she did. Hubris. I don't buy the gender argument. The fact is Mrs. Clinton ran a crappy campaign founded on nothing more than her hubris. The nomination was hers to lose and she lost it. She's not the first politician to have mis-read the times and to have underestimated her opponent. She certainly won't be the last.

As an ardent Clinton supporter, its painful for me to agree with you but I do across the board. Oddly, she's running a great campaign now but it's too late.

Obama, on the other hand, ran a great campaign up until the point where he pretty much won it. Now, his campaign has been decidedly unimpressive. It's his to lose now and he's showing all signs of losing it as well.

gmat:

never national polls. EVs are everything.

Well, of course you don't believe in polls when they conflict with your cherished dream of Hillary winning the nomination. Keep dreaming, pal.

You can't possibly have found anything I've written on this board to support that kind of statement.

For the record, I just want McCain to lose, because I hate his foreign policy guys and I want them far away from policy positions. And I want a quick end to the US combat role in Iraq. Maybe Obama would end it quicker than Clinton, if so, I prefer him.

But most important is getting Kagan, Scheunemann, and the rest of the neocons out of the Executive Branch.