God created man, then He created woman. He said the two should become one (not two women or two men), then they were told to multiply. Without the interferance of outside help (science) two woman cannot create a baby. Neither can two men create a child. Also, Sodom and Gomorrah were both destroyed because of sexual sin. All the laws of the world are right in the Bible. If we followed them we would not have the unrest that is in the world today, i.e; crime, hunger, poverty, environmental, etc. We are a very selfish human race, who want our own way, not God's way. We are going to reap what we sow.

READ YOUR BIBLE. It's all there.

OH, sorry, I checked my imaginary friend at the door, and read the bible as history, not an instruction book. Sorry! Don't care what it says! Except for the shellfish part. I am TOTALLY stoning the next person I see eating shellfish. It's an abomination!

Your going to get someone high because they ate shellfish?

Touching pigskin is also not allowed according to the Bible.

Therefore NO football allowed. ESPECIALLY on a Sunday!!

Oh! get someone high because they ate shellfish! That might be fun, but no. They would get two treats, that way.

And the other sense of stoning, well, they are probably gonna be okay, I throw like a girl.

...to possess some inherent authority, have some standing before the law.

Why?

personally, i don't see why gays should be the only ones protected from the horrors of marriage...

I didn't realize outside help in reproducing invalidates the very idea of marriage! There will be a lot of very disappointed infertile straight couples.

Get this through your thick, thick skull: I don't care what it says in the Bible! It could say very clearly "Everyone who desires salvation must hop on one foot for 5 minutes at 4pm on Thursdays" and guess what? I wouldn't! It's just a book. The fact that you and a bunch of other idiots BELIEVE it is something more has no bearing on my life.

The USA is not, was never, and will never be a Christian nation with Christian laws. It has always been a nation born out of the Enlightenment with the very secular ideas of LIBERTY and EQUALITY and the AVOIDANCE OF TYRANNY as its founding principles.

I'm so sorry you misunderstand. None of the things you just mentioned would have happened if Hindus, Moslem, or any other religion had arrived in the America's and not Christianity.

The values you speak of comes from a protestant perspective of the Christian faith. You really should read all the books not only the ones you happen to agree with for personal political reasons. You live in a historical vacuum.

I suppose you've read "all the books"? Ha.

The values I speak of are independent of religion. In fact, it was people whose religion is best described as "vague theism" who did the most and best work in ensuring the liberty of this nation from theocrat zealots like you. Read some Jefferson, for example.

Oh, my God you're laughable. You act as if all the men, even the deist, worked in a cultural vacuum. As if their thought was not a complex organic thing that largely, largely grew out of a protestant Christian ethic. Sad really.

So, you're saying that this ISN'T a secular country with a secular government? Do you hear all that laughter? It's directed at you.

I don't see how the cultural context - which, duh, was majority Protestant - matters, when the result was clearly and intentionally a total divorce from the idea religion in government and laws based on anything but reason.

Liberty is not a Christian concept at all. The Bible is all about kings and obedience to authority (divine and earthly). Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars! Obey God even when it makes no sense! Etc.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed not because of sexual sin, but because of their cruelty, blasphemy and their treatment of the poor and travelers. You might want to ACTUALLY read what the ancient Rabbianic scholars have said about Sodom and Gomorrah before you pontificate about what you obviously don't know.

but because of their cruelty, blasphemy and their treatment of the poor and travelers.

That and also sexual immorality. The implication being that sexual immorality went hand in hand with all the other sins you mentioned.

I'm not cruel, and I treat the poor and travelers fairly well (could always do better.)

As for "blaspheming", I do it often and with gusto. Haven't been destroyed yet.

As for "sexual immorality", you're begging the question. You're saying gay sex is immoral because gay sex is immoral. There's no *argument* there. I consider sexual immorality to be behavior that is unhealthy, damaging, is a betrayal, and is antisocial. My marriage to another woman involves sex which is none of those things.