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Deathwatch - Edwards
by crat3
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By working to preclude Obama's winning the presidential nomination fair and square, John Edwards is rending the Democratic Party apart, beyond unity, and taking it down the path of a train wreck in November, just like the daily Obama superdelegate endorsements with fabricated fluff. This will be beyond the powers of Sen. Clinton to help unify if the presidential nomination is swiped from her.

The Democratic nomination process is still in progress and several states remain to vote their presidential preferences; Florida and Michigan have yet to be resolved. At their resolution, if no candidate has 2,210 delegates, then the superdelegates must select the best qualified presidential candidate using their independent judgment without regard to any delegate math or count. All of the Obama orchestrated activity involving Edwards and Obama's daily superdelegate endorsements are intended to make an end run around the Democratic nomination process to swipe the nomination for Obama.

The resounding West Virginia defeat of Obama expressed PEOPLE POWER that has brought down governments and changed governments in other countries. This PEOPLE POWER proclaimed Sen. Clinton is the Democratic presidential nominee. Edwards, Obama, and Obama's superdelegates should seriously ponder the PEOPLE POWER that buttresses Sen. Clinton.

The pro-Obama biased media have interfered in, undermined, and subverted the Democratic nomination process. The pro-Obama biased media continue to sabotage Sen. Clinton's campaign with impunity. This media tyranny is our democracy's worse enemy.

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by dbp1954

I love this--superdelegates are supposed to use their independent judgement to choose the best candidate regardless of delegate count or numbers, yet it's also an unfair "end-run" around the process for...superdelegates to endorse Obama?

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by fossor

That was an adorable post! I suppose, then, that Clinton should have shunned the support of 200+ superdelegates who un-Democratically threw their support to her before the primary season was underway? Also, please tell me how PEOPLE POWER didn't spontaneously erupt in states that Obama won decisively. The PEOPLE POWER in Hawaii and Minnesota and Nebraska were truly terrifying. Are we still waiting on the awesome aftershocks of Arkansas' PEOPLE POWER (one of only two states in which Sen. Clinton won 60% or more of the vote?)?

You're a satirist who works in a tiny medium, right?

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by crat3
well, keep loving it -- the nomination process in place calls for superdelegates to use their independent judgment when no candidate has the requisite number of delegates. It is an end run to swipe the nomination with superdelegates endorsing Obama before the remaining states have voted their presidential preferences and FL and MI resolved - on the pretext of the "delegate math."
Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by BigMorgan
Again, you fail to consider that the superdelegates' independent judgment may lead them to decide that Obama is the superior candidate. There's hardly a difference between their platforms, why can't you Hillary folk get past the fact that Obama has won? What is to be feared from a candidate whose only major difference from yours is his healthcare plan allows adults without children to opt out of coverage?
Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by Dausuul

I think the PEOPLE POWER of Iowa, South Carolina, Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Utah, Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Washington, D.C., Maryland, Virginia, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Vermont, the Virgin Islands, Democrats Abroad, Wyoming, and Mississippi trumps the PEOPLE POWER of West Virginia.

And while I don't generally use this kind of slang, I feel this is the only appropriate way to end my response:

kthxbai

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by mspaul

"The resounding West Virginia defeat of Obama expressed PEOPLE POWER that has brought down governments and changed governments in other countries. This PEOPLE POWER proclaimed Sen. Clinton is the Democratic presidential nominee. "

I mean......I can't even really respond to this. Apparently West Virigina is now the only state that counts? Why is that resounding defeat any more important than Clinton's resounding defeat in Illinois? Or Alaska? Or Colorado? Or DC? Or Georgia? I could go on, but even you probably get the point by now.

And are you saying that the superdelegates' judgment isn't independent now? What is going to happen at the end of the primaries that will suddenly make their judgment any different than it is now? By the end of the primaries, even when you count Florida, and if you give Obama the "uncommitted" votes in Michigan (which is only fair, since he, playing by party rules, wasn't even on the ballot), he will still be ahead in the pledged delegate count *and* the popular vote. No matter what. That's not "delegate math." That's just MATH. Or as Will Ferrell would say, "That is SCIENCE."

Just let it go already.

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by NightSwimmer
Maybe Hillary can be President of West Virginia.
Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by progressivebulldog

crat3:
well, keep loving it -- the nomination process in place calls for superdelegates to use their independent judgment when no candidate has the requisite number of delegates. It is an end run to swipe the nomination with superdelegates endorsing Obama before the remaining states have voted their presidential preferences and FL and MI resolved - on the pretext of the "delegate math."

You are a fool. Delegate counts show who the majjority of the voters want to be the nominee. The vast majority of Americans have voted and there is simply no way for Hillary to win the election now without getting a majority of the superdelegates to ignore the will of the people.

Edwards is not subverting the will of the people. His endorsement is just that, and endorsement. He can encourage his delegates to vote for Obama but this is merely a suggestion on his part. They are pledged to him so at this point they are much like supers. They could follow his advice or they could vote for Hillary. An endorsement is a statement of preference. Edwards is well known and received quite a few votes but his vote is not worth any more than anyone else's.

People can listen to Edwards or not. It's their choice but in the end it doesn't matter all that much. Obama is the nominee.

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by Angstrom

So your point is that everyone in the country is entitled to an opinion, except John Edwards.

Could you possibly be any dumber?

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by Angstrom

Oh, wait, it appears you had another point. The superdelegates must choose "without regard to any delegate math or count." Well, they should choose, but they should do it at a time of your choosing. Also, what really matters is THE PEOPLE. Or the superdelegates. Or something.

In other words, to sum up, WAH WAH WAH I DIDN'T GET MY WAY SO I'M GOING TO JUMP UP AND DOWN AND CRY WAH WAH WAH!!!

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by ungerguy
If all you Obama fans are so confident that he has it sewn up already, then RELAX!! Save some of this angst for November when the Republicans will eat his little lunch.
Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by piggyhew
maybe you obama people can get him elected,i don't think so,even with clinton on board as vp wont get him elected ,i'm a die hard democrate but i will not vote for a man that surronds him self with losers and crooks ,rev.write, ayers, rezco, fercon, and god only knows who else.so go on and vote for him ,pluse he turned his back on mi.voters not trusting them enough to redo the vote well good luck on your quest. because i wont be voteing for him ., i just don't trust him with my country ,and he doth talk to much not to say anything.
Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by pwoxby

@ ungerguy:

"If all you Obama fans are so confident that he has it sewn up already, then RELAX!"

Wait a minute. What about reason #37 for Hillary Clinton to stay in the race? Isn't that to give Barack Obama, his campaign, and his supporters practice? So how are we doing?

Obama 08!

Re: Deathwatch - Edwards
by Pmbster

"This will be beyond the powers of Sen. Clinton to help unify if the presidential nomination is swiped from her."

Swiped from HER?

I just have one word here... Koolaid.

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