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Contempt for white people
by Richmond
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WV is mostly white. It's mostly white because that part of VA didn't have slaves, and it broke off to join the Union.

WV is mostly poor. It's poor because it has weak soil (bad for farms) and few natural resources other than coal.

No Democrat has ever shied from WV. FDR with his millions and his wheelchair. JFK with his Catholicism. All went to WV and did well.

Well, not until Obama.

What does it say about the Obama campaign that it treats a state like WV with such obvious contempt? It's one thing to concede the state to HRC.

It's another thing to suggest the votes of WV don't matter.

Well, they'll matter to McCain.

Why didn't Obama campaign in WV? He's the "nominee", right? He showed the white lady can't jump, right? He's blowing off WV already?

Not enough wineries to visit? Not enough people happy to listen to him yap on about his grandfather's WW2 service while their food and gas prices skyrocket?

Note to Obama: Your grandfather went to WW2. You, sir, went to Harvard.

Re: Contempt for white people
by kevin hancock

Richmond is articulating the material point of the Senator Clinton's West Virginia victory as it relates to the general election.

Obama should have campaigned there. It was very disappointing that he did not. This guy has a lot to learn and only a few months to learn it.

Re: Contempt for white people
by artandsoul

What a specious argument. To take her win and turn it into a spin of contempt for white people is just absurd.

West Virginia has about 1/50 the importance of the whole election.

Just like every other state in the Union it has its history, its strengths and its weaknesses. It is HOME to millions of people.

But, like all the other states, it does not speak for AMERICA.

We get to do that in the election when all the voices come together.

If people want to support McCain, fine.

If the people who support Obama speak louder, he wins.

West Virginia is no more, or less, important than any other state - it's just one of 50.

Obama can, and will, represent ALL these United States with dignity and with talent.

If the media or rabid supporters on this Fray treat others with contempt, that is not the same thing as if Obama is doing it. Stop perpetrating the mud.

Re: Contempt for white people
by Angstrom

It's another thing to suggest the votes of WV don't matter.

Well the Clintons specialize in telling us what votes matter and what don't, so take it up with them.

Note to Obama: Your grandfather went to WW2. You, sir, went to Harvard.

And Hillary went to Vassar and Yale. It's pretty difficult to see the point of your post, other than I DIDN'T GET MY WAY WAH WAH WAH.

Re: Contempt for white people
by zebra
Hillary went to Wellesley, not Vassar.
Re: Contempt for white people
by Angstrom

West Virginia has about 1/50 the importance of the whole election.

It has nowhere near 1/50 the importance. The whole state has less than half the population of metropolitan Atlanta for example. In terms of population is about 1/165th of the U.S.

Re: Contempt for white people
by Woolley
I would ask the kind people of WVA to ask themselves why they voted so heavily in favor of the only white candidate in the race when the leading candidates positions on the issues are really not that much different than the white candidates positions. I could see if the two had vastly different positions on critical issues, that would explain it to me. In this case though, the only plausible explanation is racism. Yes, the more I think about it and the more this election plays out, the more obvious the situation becomes to any observer. White, rural, poor people in these states are full blown racists.
Re: Contempt for white people
by Richmond

Except, doodle head, one is elected President not by the people, but by the states, i.e., via the electoral college.

Or did you miss something in 2000?

And, see, WV, like some other states, is a swing state.

And, see, WV has just enough electoral votes to make a difference.

Ask Al Gore.

The elected President represents all 50 states. But to become the elected President, you don't have to carry all 50 states.

You just have to win 270 electoral votes, and you cannot do that with Obama's map. You can do it with HRC's map. He just threw WV under the bus.

Smoove one, shawty.

Re: Contempt for white people
by Davelias12

He did campaigh in WVA, just not a lot. Clinton has done this to states as well, many politicians do. Regardless of how much he campaigned, he would have lost.

Before super Tuesday, the Clinton campaign called this a "25-state race" (or 23, I forget). Hell, they didn't even have a strategy for after Feb. 5. Only now does she want "every voice" heard, before she could have cared less. So ease up on the piety.

Re: Contempt for white people
by iculook
Wow...if Ocrapa wins, he is the all mighty candidate. If he gets his azz handed to him, that state is racist? Man...there sure are a LOT of racist people out there. Wonder what would happen if they all got together and voted as a unified white vote? Sounds like we would have another Republican in the White House!
Whats your take then?
by Woolley
70% for the white person, 30% for the black person....naw, has nothing to do with racism. These folks know the issues inside and out. The difference can be attributed to the health care proposals. One wants mandatory participation, the other voluntary. Everyone in WVA is adamantly for mandatory participation dammit. What a bunch of crackers....
False premises
by spruce

Obama visited WVa on three separate occasions, including the day before the election, even though it was clear to all that he didn't stand a chance there.

Your entire argument is built on inaccuracies:

1. Despite your claims, Obama did campaign in WVa

2. Despite claiming Obama has contempt for white people, he has campaigned ferociously, and did exceedingly well, in some of the whitest states in the U.S. (Iowa, Vermont, Utah, Idaho, etc.)

3. Obama has also done well in some of the poorest states in the nation.

But I am sure, somewhere in your convoluted thinking, you had some point to make even though your entire argument is based on a series of false premises.

Re: Contempt for white people
by apropos1

'White, rural, poor people in these states are full blown racists.'

Woolley, seeing as Obama is getting 92% of the black vote, and as you say there's really not much difference in the candidate's positions: Are they racist, sexist or both.???

I could see if they had vastly different positions, but by your logic they don't. Therefore black voters are racist and/or sexist.

The more I think about it the more obvious that conclusion becomes, using your logic, ofcourse.


Re: Contempt for white people
by progressivebulldog

Fully 20% of West Virgina voters said that race was important to them and of those Hillary won 8 out of 10 of them. Obama has not shown contempt for white people or even contempt for the white people of West Virginia. He did campaign there but he was far behind and he has already won the primary so he didn't waste too much time in a state he was going to lose anyway.

Obama doesn't show contempt for white people but it seems that a lot of white people in West Virginia have contempt for him not because of his policies but just because of his skin color.

This is a valid point.
by Woolley

Let me answer this simply:

The first true black candidate that could become President is supported by the majority of blacks out of pride and awe. For the first time in history, a real leader has emerged for them and now we act surprised that they support him? Why, we know we force fed you white folks for centuries, you should all just forget about this race thing once and for all. We do...snark.

The first viable, strong and qualified female candidate is close to being a President. For women used to being considered second class and incapable of leading, this is huge, not unlike blacks feel about Obama. Now, us white males are calling them sexists because they are rallying around their gal. Gee, thats so unfair of them...

Now lets get to the white male voters in WVA. They obviously feel that a white woman is preferable to a black man given two equal positions on the issues. if the split was 45/55, I could see its a matter of policy not race. But when its 66/25, a blind idiot could figure this one out.

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