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Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by Gatewood
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when conventional wisdom maintained that race would never become a major issue in this nomination contest. I recall telling posters not to be such naive children. I recall being mocked and reviled by Obamacrats back then.

Guess what John? Race is now a major issue in this nomination contest. Gosh! Why didn't anyone warn people?! Oh wait . . . someone did; but I can't help notice that journalists in general, and Slate political journalists in particular, did not warn anyone despite the fact that anyone understanding both human nature, history, and politics could have predicted this.

But looking back on things there are always a handful of original thinkers among the fray posters that can and do ignore the fanatics and reason from the facts and from historical precedence and current social, economic, cultural, and political patterns.

But the call to censorship always rears its ugly head, doesn't it John? Fanatics [usually rightwingers] go beserk and DEMAND that we, those few Fray posters capable of original thought, remove ourselves from the posting venue.

Now we have fervent leftwing fanatics calling for the same sort of censorship today on this board because they are uncomfortable with the truth and the cold-blooded reasoning processes by which one eventually arrives at that truth. It threatens to rock their insular little world and as a result they are beginning to lash out at the handful of original, independent, and capable thinkers.

The irony, such as it is, resides in that the call for censorship comes this time from liberals that are supposed to embrace intellectual as well as racial, social, and cultural diversity. One notes that they did not have a problem with the reasoning methodology or processes when the chops we original-thinkers busted were those of rightwing fanatics. Now, however -- oh ho!-- "We can't have people rocking the ideological boat full of unexamined assumptions and doxology, now can we?" they exclaim.

So the thing is John, as you and the rest of the newsmedia prepare to call this race over and done with on May the 20th, how do you feel about intellectualism when it reveals truths that people would rather leave unexamined?

Hillary really was pointing out that the vast middle class is not going to vote for Obama and that many of them are White. This is simple political sense and reality. This is also sending Obamacrats up in self-righteous flames, even though [or particularly because] it is the truth.

Now we both know that she did not mean to imply that only Whites are hard working and so forth, nor that these Whites she mentioned were necessarily hard core racists. There are other interpretations, but then fanatics do not want to hear that.

That, indeed, is where the Obamacrat fanatics are deliberately missinterpreting in order to gain political advantage regardless of the fact that they are essentially painting her as a racist in order to do so.

But then again we also know which way the national press is interpreting things, don't we? For that matter we heard how the DNC has decided to interpret things as well . . . they also have decided to paint Hillary as a racist.

Anyway John, beginning the 20th of this month, you and the rest of your fellow political journalists and writers are going to work very hard to convince the fifty percent of the Democratic Party that is supporting Hillary Clinton that the nomination process is already over. Essentially you will be rooting for the disenfranchisement of half of the party -- you and your fellow journalists.

But here is another uncomfortable truth, John. Whether it is racism [by BOTH Blacks and Whites -- not to mention non-Black minorities] or blatant media bias or the openly corrupt DNC, these issues are not going to just vanish simply because it's already a done-deal that Obama is going to be declared the winner in the middle of the race itself.

Journalists as well as fanatical Obamacrats are simply going to have to put up with having their snouts pushed into the smelly muck they call truth.

So it goes.

Re: Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by artandsoul
Hey John Dickerson, I recall by Gatewood (Joined on 03/21/2008, Posts 978),

when conventional wisdom maintained that race would never become a major issue in this nomination contest. I recall telling posters not to be such naive children. I recall being mocked and reviled by Obamacrats back then.

So, what name did you used to post under? Or is less than two months your idea of "way back then"?

Re: Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by changeishope

I believe our truths differ. You state Race is now a major issue in this nomination contest. I believe it is only as major as the voters want to make it. Maybe I have more faith in my fellow man, thinking that most will see through all that is trying to be forced upon us and come to our own conclusions based on more of what we know within, disregarding all the external forces at work.

I believe there are many silent ones out there that will vote without regard to what they see, what they read, but what they know, and those voters will be the change that is so very needed for our country.

Re: Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by pwoxby

@ Gatewood:

"Race is now a major issue in this nomination contest."

No, Hillary Clinton and her supporters would like to make race a major issue in this nomination contest. The voters in Indiana and North Carolina declined to accept Clinton's invitation.

The Clinton's have been trying to inject race into the campaign since Bill Clinton compared Barack Obama to Jesse Jackson following the South Carolina primary. It didn't work then. It's not working now.

"... it's already a done-deal that Obama is going to be declared the winner in the middle of the race itself."

"Middle" suggests about halfway between the beginning and the end. 90% of the states have had primaries or caucuses. The primary season is rapidly drawing to a close.

Obama is not being declared the winner by any "deal". We the people have given him an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates and popular vote. The superdelegates have taken note and Obama now leads among them as well.

"It threatens to rock their insular little world and as a result they are beginning to lash out at the handful of original, independent, and capable thinkers."

Please knock off this "I'm so superior" schtick of yours. It makes you sound like a crackpot.

Obama 08!

Your faith, while
by Gatewood

misplaced, is touching and I salute you for it.

Not myself being a member of the Kumbayah, hands across the water, crowd I usually substitute a study of human nature and historical precedence, voting patterns, and [in this case] media bias and DNC political maneuvering to arrive at my conclusions.

My conclusions, you see, are subject to change or evolution as more data surfaces. I may alter it altogether eventually. At the moment, however, my logic module fits the known facts and current and currently emerging patterns.

I posted under a different name.
by Gatewood
No, you do not get to know what it was because you are actively trying to smear me.
Re: I posted under a different name.
by artandsoul

I don't care what name you posted under, and I am not trying to smear you! What an inflated ego you have!

I answer your posts with far more integrity, thought and rationality than you deserve - since you have actually called me everything from a "fucking idiot" to "a retard." So don't talk to me about smear.

Changing your username and attempting to be seen as a "different" person shows that you have no principles and no sense of truth or decency.

AND it shows you are backing the right candidate - you stick with Hillary! Two peas in a fucking pod.

Again you sound precisely like
by Gatewood

rightwing fanatics sounded only a little while ago when they were defending G.W. Bush with every dishonest rationale under the sun.

You cannot refute the message and so you attack the messenger. The difference between us and our different techniques it that first I destroyed your message and then I slapped around the messenger.

Obamacrats, for the most part, are childish dreamers living in a warm and comforting fantasy world. Most of their posts vividly demonstrate those facts. Although you are a bit more intelligent than most of them you are still terrified of reality and your posts do demonstrate that nearly every time you post something.

I am not your buddy. I am not going to allow you entry into my posting past. I closed it down for a reason sufficient unto my own ends. By attacking me for doing so, you again demonstrate that you embrace wingnut tactics and fanaticism.

Re: Again you sound precisely like
by bentontheworld

Gatewood,

Let's briefly discuss the real world. It lies, primarily, away from your computer. It seems like every time I visit the fray, 50% of the posts belong to YOU. Get off your computer, get over your candidate's defeat, and get a life. A little posting is a fine hobby, but try to limit it to a dozen or two posts a day. Get a little bit more fresh air, and maybe you won't be such a sad, pathetic little person.

Re: Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by Bullspotter
Hey Gatewood, as you going to do an "Alex Baldwin", and threaten to move to France if Obama becomes president?
Re: Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by StevieN
Race doesn't seem to be a big issue as far as I can see. One sour grapes loser candidate (I won't mention her name) has made some sly, backhanded references to it--and that's about all. At this point, the losers aren't really listened to very much...
Well, I have no problem with People Voting their own kind
by HellFire

It has been pointed out by Blacks that it is merely a Pride in ones Race kind of thing..... which makes sense.

So, Blacks should Vote for Blacks and Whites should vote for Whites, I see that, I'm Proud of being a White American, why souldn't I Vote for a White American?

It saddens me that while over 90% of Blacks can remain disciplined enough to adhere to the Pride in Voting for one of your Own Rule...... only 60% or so of the White Race can, which in turn shows the Black Race as just more disciplined than Whites when it comes to Voting ones own Kind.

The trouble for Blacks will be that there are just too few of them Nationally to make much of a showing in the Government at the Federal Level..... and then the tears start.

Well, move to Africa where Blacks outnumber Whites and try your luck there (if said African Nation allows voting).

For the Blacks who stay in America, look at it this way..... there's always the Mayor of Washington D.C. to count on being Black..... his House is sort of close to the White House.

Re: Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by StevieN
Here's Gatewood on his other internet job...
Re: Your faith, while
by changeishope

Gatewood, thank you for your response. I know, the Kymbayah crowd isn't for everyone so thats cool you don't care to be a part of it. I do believe I understand what you are saying, and respect it, as it has it does make sense. If you would please, for just moment, step outside your comfort zone and consider this, human nature is only as we percieve it, historical precedence, maybe we, as a whole have learned from the past, voting patterns well they can change, media, well that depends on the day...LOL...sorry, but it does change so frequently that I don't really consider that a factor, and the DNC and media both kinda goes back to my original thought on we may not be able to control some thing, but we can control how we respond to them, keeping in mind that often they only let us see what they want us to see.

I am pleased to see that you are more open minded than I had first thought, by saying that your conclusions could change based on what may come. Just remember, data does not always equate truth. Gatewood, I feel holding onto logic allows you to feel safe......and thats ok, but it probably wouldn't hurt you to join hands with me on occasion and cross the water....lol

Re: Hey John Dickerson, I recall
by RM77
Gatewood, your post is excellent.
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