It's quite shocking really. As shameless as the way the Swift Boaters went after a Silver Star War Veteran like John Kerry or how Ken Starr dug into every detail about Bill Clinton's sexual life. It was so shameless what those witch hunts took place.

Now, here are life long democrats who, as for myself ,was an ardent Civil Rights activist in the 1960's and a proud liberal protester against the war in VietNam and a fighter against 'Social Injustice', as we used to call it.

Many of the those who support Obama treat our belief in HRC and our concern over Obama's abilties as being racist.

It's stunning...

But such as it is.

I think what they are betting on and recklessly now assume is because the Supreme Court is an issue for most of us on the democratic side that just the mere thought of a McCain presidency will insure Obama's victory.

But, what they don't take into account is the fact that yesterday when McCain came out and said outright that he would appoint very conservative judges to the USSC that that was a move directed at the very right wing core element of the GOP that has been ambivelent about him, thus far.

What needs to be taken into serious account is that announcement will now snap the far righties into place and those republicans who may well have sat home and not voted for McCain will now mobilize and come in droves to support him.

That is point one.

Point two is we all know what party the true KKK types live in..the Republican Party, they are the faction of the RNC of old Dixiecrats. Not Hillary supporters.

So between McCain's announcement to appoint right wing anti abortion judges to the court and the very genuine racist core that dwells within a faction of the GOP(mainly among what was once known as the old DixieCrat faction that jumped to the GOP in the 1960s) these are the folks that will intensely focus on making sure tpo come out in droves to vote against Obama and for John McCain.

It's sad because the Obama supporters continue to fight the wrong enemy when they place so much emphasis on beating up on the HRC supporters in their own party.

By doing so they are so thoroughly making those of us who actually do care about the right wing faction and the damage they can cause to the country, feel as if ..'well...you don't want us or need us anyway...so well..have at it...we don't have to vote if you think we don't matter., at all'.

Not saying I will go that route..but certainly many democrats will feel that way by the way the Obama supporters have said the older generation doesn't matter.

Afterall, most of us have long known both parties are corporate run and of the basic same cloth...

The inklings of a possible flight from the democratic party among old guard dems who feel wholly dis-enfranchised by the media's treatment intensely corrosive treatment of HRC and of the DNC's fanagaling of the system may be what begins to stir a genuine viable third party faction. It may after this election cycle be the sharp powerful impetus that finally enables a viable third, more moderate, people's party, that isn't as beholden to the special corporate interests.

Because I do suspect many so angered by the media's treatment of HRC and of the DNC's fanagling of the primaries that many of the old guard democrats will flee the party enmasse.

The country has needed a viable third party for a long time now.

Perhaps , after the debacle of this election is over in November...perhaps...this will give the needed opening for that party to emerge.

At the end of the day, what is best for the country and breaking the corporate lock on the system is more important than anyone man or any one image.

Again, the constant shrieking at fellow democrats, who are for Hillary as genedio did just now to MaryAnne, when he told her to get out of the way and we don't need the older generation...may well do so at their own guy's peril, because McCain's announcement to appoint USSC, right wing judges was intended to mobilize his conservative base.

And it will.

Those old Dixie crats who are the real racists in the new GOP and have been for decades now will also insure a great out pouring of voters from the right wing.

The Obama supporters are wasting their time fighting fellow democrats that have supported Hillary.

Because by doing so and treating her supporters with such distain I am sure that will not help Obama win nor will it help to unite the party in November.

While you've been so busy knocking HRC, McCain has been shoring up and mobilizing his right wing base.

If you have a thoroughly deflated 50% solid voting block of Hillary supporters who feel so mistreated by Obama supporters ,I don't think it will encourage them to come out and vote for Obama.That's just human nature.

Better 'move on' as they say to the real enemy...the GOP right wing base.

You've already said, you don't need the Hillary supporters..so you may as well start posting about the necessity of finding a way to beat the right wing base.

Because while you have been focusing on destroying HRC....

.... McCain has been very very busy quietly mobilizing them into action come November.

Now, here are life long democrats who, as for myself ,was an ardent Civil Rights activist in the 1960's and a proud liberal protester against the war in VietNam and a fighter against 'Social Injustice', as we used to call it.

Let me make sure i understand this. You are in your early 50s. You were an ardent civil rights activist in the 60s. You would have been around 10 or 12 years old in the late 60s.

Did you have permission from your mother to go off and protest the war in Vietnam?

Jack

I'm 54. I went to my first anti war protest in 1968 at the Syracuse University Campus.I was 14. And I ran with a gaggle of kids who were pretty much 'free spirits' in those heady days.. ;-)

McCain doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell.

Hi Dubina...But, I am not so sure ..you know how the repubs start drinking their brand of koolaide when the GOP starts waving the flag and singing God Bless America.

They know how to milk the old' Love it or Leave it' spin to the max. And many Indy's jump on board every year.

The right wing base now satiated about the right wing USSC judgeships ,and the old guard, dixiecrats who be spitting nails rather than allow Obama to be elected...well..I just don't know,.... but, I can imagine them coming out in droves for these two reasons.

Hope you are right and McCain isn't elected.

LaurieAnnM

I hate to be the one to let you know this but the KKK traditionally are Democrats.

I don't know of any southern KKK that are Republican. It's called old Guard Dem and this is one reason the South was Dem for so many years. Granted a Southern Dem can be a lot like a Rep (NRA, etc),

It is actually one of the reasons why my Dad switched party loyalties (he was one of those gentleman southerners, raised dirt poor but with values NO KKK for him---my grammie always maintained we had a "touch of that blood" in us, and she obsessed over my hair I think because it was the tell tale, crinkly, thick and unmanageable) this is not unusual (AA blood) as there is a lot of indian blood that runs through my family from both lines, my dad's line only via my grammie.

1. I think that the overt sexism of Hill is indicative of two things: Subliminal racism of ethnic groups and their ability to treat white women poorly because there is no societal barrier that protects white women.
2. The US has found it's population saturation point and as we are nothing more than animals, we naturally want to reduce the population, but as we don't have the common sense to do it, we want to restrict women's rights. Unfortunately, without addressing the overpopulation itself, women will continue to lose rights until we are nothing more than chattel and used only for breeding, as has happened in Islamic countries and now Kenya.

I think that the US population should be capped to what it is now and allow attrition of 20 % of our population and that is where we try to keep it.

We institute a national union so we have no need of migrant workers, we work it ourselves in the US. Welfare is not allowed if the person is able to work, they work, end of story. If they don't want to work, they don't eat. That's how life is. Welfare recipients earn not one dime after the first child. No more having kids to earn money, it has resulted in the educational problems we have in poor communities. If someone is poorly educated how can they make good decisions? And they are poorly educated because they are allowed to believe it is ok not to learn, there is nothing in their immediate culture that promotes the desire to learn. If the micro culture cannot help itself then the macroculture should step in and NOT reinforce the micro culture but to enforce the MACRO cultures values.

I also am against the idea of illegal drugs, or guns, I think it should all be legitimate and taxed, including areas where prostitution is legal and regulated.

I had a duty to write the series on Barack Obama

I usually never post comments on blogs for my articles. In fact, I usually do not read blogs, but I get email alerts from OpEd when comments are posted. After reading some of your comments, I felt the need to explain how it came to be that I wrote the series of articles on Obama.

Although I used to write many political articles, I seldom get a chance to anymore and I confess that I have fallen far behind as far as following political news.

When I realized that I personally knew nothing about Obama and it looked like he might become the nominee, I set out to research his legislative history in Illinois to learn what accomplishments led to his rise to political prominence without me even noticing him.

I ended up spending the last month and a half researching his background, putting in 12 to 18 hours every day, but I did not set out to find the information I found.

If you go back and read the first article I wrote about Hillary and Obama and my belief that Obama was not being qualified for the job you will see that it was written before I began my research and I did not have a clue about anything.

In fact, at that point when a friend asked me who I was going to vote for I said I preferred Hillary but I would definitely vote for Obama if he was the nominee.

I knew absolutely nothing about Illinois politics or the corruption scandals in that state over the past 8 years.

The name Rezko did not even register with me other than seeing it mentioned in the headlines for articles about Obama.

The history of the Obama story was terribly complex and I quickly realized why no major news organization had funded the type of investigation I was conducting.

Number one, like me they had no idea what would be found at the end, and two, they never in their wildest dreams would they have imagined that the leaders of the Democratic party would not have vetted their own candidate and fit all the pieces together.

Although the research took a lot of time because there were so many trails and so many different people and schemes involved, it did not involve rocket science.

I will admit that it did cross my mind to keep my mouth shut, knowing that no one would have to know that I had discovered the truth before it was exposed by the Republicans. But my conscience quickly reminded me that I would know, and what it would be like if I remained silent.

The Republican have invested a lot more time than I have.

They have also put it all together better than I have and are just waiting for the day Obama is nominated to unleash a non-stop expose.

They no doubt have their talking points ready for cable news shows and video clips in the can.

That is why I am furious at the Democratic party for allowing this situation to progress to the point we are at now.

This is not about whether Hillary beats Obama for me - its about the integrity of the Democratic party and its choice for a candidate who Americans who do not keep up with politics will trust for no other reason than he is vouched for by the leaders they trust.

This is not about mud-slinging - its about telling the truth even when its about my own party.

Its about refusing to not expose a Democratic candidate who I know is planning to replace one administration with one that is equally corrupt.

As a journalist I have been having to answer emails from my readers in other countries for 8 years, trying to explain why Americans would allow a war profiteering murderer to stay in power and I am not about to have my name associated with another corrupt administration - this time from the party that I have defended for 8 years.

When I openly supported John Kerry for president, and wrote articles exposing the war profiteering in Iraq, I told my critics to bring me leads if they knew of war profits being funneled to the bank accounts of Kerry or his family members and I would follow up and write the story.

No one offered leads and I found none.

I would be a hypocrite of the worst kind if I remained silent during this election simply because Obama was a Democrat.

With an Obama-McCain ticket, voters are in a no win situation.

They can elect McCain and allow the slaughtering of our troops to continue in a war profiteeing scheme in Iraq or they can elect Obama and allow the Chicago style of profiteering right here at home to spread to cities all across America.

As I said in my second article, I will not have any part of this.

If the Democrats put Obama's name on the ballot, for the first time in my 58 years as an Amercian, I will take a stand and not vote in the presidential election.

But there is no way Obama will beat McCain with or without my vote.

If the Democrats keep up this charade through the summer, the election belongs to the Republicans.

I have done the work in untangling the whole mess and tried to write articles so that the average American can "get it."

If people do not see what is going on here after reading my first 3 articles, in the famous words of Jack Nicholson, "they can't handle the truth."

If any factual information in the articles is found to be incorrect, please send me an email through the link at the bottom of the article showing me where the information is false and I will make a correction.

A list of some of my other investigative work can be found by clicking on the link at the end of the Obama article on "other articles" by this author.

Evelyn Pringle

by Evelyn Pringle (180 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 10:14:48 PM

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first things first (me)

Hi jegal. I already stated that.

They are the old guard Dixiecrats who once were in the democratic party but who fled enmasse to the republican party in the 1960's when Kennedy was elected.

Republican,Southern Senator Strom Thurmond was the epitome' of the old gurad Dixi crat faction in the dem party from way back in the 1940s.

He switched to the GOP during that flight from the democratic party when Kennedy came in and pushed for Civil Rights.

Strom was a GOPer the last several decades of his political career.

But had made his 'bones' in the party was back when as a dixie crat running in the South, against integration.

BlueDolphin:

I had a duty to write the series on Barack Obama

I usually never post comments on blogs for my articles. In fact, I usually do not read blogs, but I get email alerts from OpEd when comments are posted. After reading some of your comments, I felt the need to explain how it came to be that I wrote the series of articles on Obama.

Although I used to write many political articles, I seldom get a chance to anymore and I confess that I have fallen far behind as far as following political news.

When I realized that I personally knew nothing about Obama and it looked like he might become the nominee, I set out to research his legislative history in Illinois to learn what accomplishments led to his rise to political prominence without me even noticing him.

I ended up spending the last month and a half researching his background, putting in 12 to 18 hours every day, but I did not set out to find the information I found.

If you go back and read the first article I wrote about Hillary and Obama and my belief that Obama was not being qualified for the job you will see that it was written before I began my research and I did not have a clue about anything.

In fact, at that point when a friend asked me who I was going to vote for I said I preferred Hillary but I would definitely vote for Obama if he was the nominee.

I knew absolutely nothing about Illinois politics or the corruption scandals in that state over the past 8 years.

The name Rezko did not even register with me other than seeing it mentioned in the headlines for articles about Obama.

The history of the Obama story was terribly complex and I quickly realized why no major news organization had funded the type of investigation I was conducting.

Number one, like me they had no idea what would be found at the end, and two, they never in their wildest dreams would they have imagined that the leaders of the Democratic party would not have vetted their own candidate and fit all the pieces together.

Although the research took a lot of time because there were so many trails and so many different people and schemes involved, it did not involve rocket science.

I will admit that it did cross my mind to keep my mouth shut, knowing that no one would have to know that I had discovered the truth before it was exposed by the Republicans. But my conscience quickly reminded me that I would know, and what it would be like if I remained silent.

The Republican have invested a lot more time than I have.

They have also put it all together better than I have and are just waiting for the day Obama is nominated to unleash a non-stop expose.

They no doubt have their talking points ready for cable news shows and video clips in the can.

That is why I am furious at the Democratic party for allowing this situation to progress to the point we are at now.

This is not about whether Hillary beats Obama for me - its about the integrity of the Democratic party and its choice for a candidate who Americans who do not keep up with politics will trust for no other reason than he is vouched for by the leaders they trust.

This is not about mud-slinging - its about telling the truth even when its about my own party.

Its about refusing to not expose a Democratic candidate who I know is planning to replace one administration with one that is equally corrupt.

As a journalist I have been having to answer emails from my readers in other countries for 8 years, trying to explain why Americans would allow a war profiteering murderer to stay in power and I am not about to have my name associated with another corrupt administration - this time from the party that I have defended for 8 years.

When I openly supported John Kerry for president, and wrote articles exposing the war profiteering in Iraq, I told my critics to bring me leads if they knew of war profits being funneled to the bank accounts of Kerry or his family members and I would follow up and write the story.

No one offered leads and I found none.

I would be a hypocrite of the worst kind if I remained silent during this election simply because Obama was a Democrat.

With an Obama-McCain ticket, voters are in a no win situation.

They can elect McCain and allow the slaughtering of our troops to continue in a war profiteeing scheme in Iraq or they can elect Obama and allow the Chicago style of profiteering right here at home to spread to cities all across America.

As I said in my second article, I will not have any part of this.

If the Democrats put Obama's name on the ballot, for the first time in my 58 years as an Amercian, I will take a stand and not vote in the presidential election.

But there is no way Obama will beat McCain with or without my vote.

If the Democrats keep up this charade through the summer, the election belongs to the Republicans.

I have done the work in untangling the whole mess and tried to write articles so that the average American can "get it."

If people do not see what is going on here after reading my first 3 articles, in the famous words of Jack Nicholson, "they can't handle the truth."

If any factual information in the articles is found to be incorrect, please send me an email through the link at the bottom of the article showing me where the information is false and I will make a correction.

A list of some of my other investigative work can be found by clicking on the link at the end of the Obama article on "other articles" by this author.

Evelyn Pringle

by Evelyn Pringle (180 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 10:14:48 PM

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Hi Blue Dolphin.

I know I have considered the Rezco stuff and The Chicago politics angle as well. At times, it does all seem so contrived as to just be a set up to keep the big corporate powers that be firmily in place.

This country needs a real "People's Party" .

All the rest of it is just so much more business as usual.

Iamyourliver.hmmmm...well now..that was very informative.

or not.

btw,jegal haven't check my HRC thread that got so many views and replies..have you been there lately?
I can't believe she is fighting in the face of all of the onslaught against her!

It's like some want to just keep getting one more hard kick into her carcass before they abandon her bones completely. Quite a lot of rage directed at her.

She just wants to finsh the primaries. I can not understand the rage at a fellow democrat who has worked so hard to produce plans for the country.

I dunno it seems extreme the level of genuine hatred directed at a person who would make sure Health Care, Left wing judges and DNC Agenda are carried out.

btw,Jack..my mom told me yesterday on the phone that she is leaving the party. She has been an active democrat all her life. Worked very hard to elect JFK and loved FDR and Bill Clinton.

just wanted to make the point that it does seem true that many life long true blue democrats want out of the party of their lifetimes because they feel so mad at Dean and Brazile's willingness to dis-enfrachise two key states favorable to HRC. and mad at the media for their constant onslaught against HRC.

Until we have a nominee, the party is not over. Its not the Obama supporters that are the issue...one side just doesn't know when to quit.

Obama went up to the Hill today to meet with the Congress and Senators. That's what the nominee does when they know for certain they have the nomination. It's a tradition. they do this as soon as they know for certain they have it.

Obama has it.

It's over. HRC is just finishing up the primaries. She will withdraw in June. Terry McCauliffe said so this morning.