60% of it last I heard.

Obama is getting the Black Vote.... upwards of 90% in spots, as Reported.

Trouble for Obama is 60% of Whites outnumbers 90% of Blacks in most places that will transfer Electoral College Votes in November, except places like the District of Columbia.

So, Dickerson, since when is pointing out Facts being Stupid?

Since when does 60% of a Race make someone more Racist than 90% of a Race doing the same thing?.... oh, I know, when the 60% is White and the 90% is Black.

Souldn't you...... instead of trying to redefine Race in the United States of Ameirca, be trying to figure out your Spin for the huge West Virginia Loss that Senator Obama is about to have?

West Virginia could be in Play come November, unlike North Carolina, a State which will fall to the Republicans in November.... but a State viewed as more Important to Democrats (if they support Obama) than Indiana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, New York, Califorina... ect, ect, ect.

The question is how much more of the white Democrat vote she would get than Obama versus McCain. Clinton and Obama are so similar on policy, while McCain is so different, that if there's a substantial number of white Democrats who prefer Clinton to McCain, but McCain to Obama, then the question of whether race is a factor becomes unavoidable. Saying that the number is so large as to have a strong effect on electability can be interpreted as saying there's a lot of racism among white working-class voters.

People vote their interests. Blue-collar voters vote for economic and social policy that helps them. Black voters have an additional interest here. Obama's election would be significant for improving race relations and getting over past issues like slavery and segregation. Therefore it's rational for black voters to see an additional benefit to Obama's election that white voters don't. There's nothing racist about it, any more than it's somehow wrong for working-class voters to vote for their economic interests. It's not that black voters think Obama is inherently superior because he's black, but because there's a practical, real benefit that the cause of race relations would gain from his election.

Clinton had a chance to convince black voters that she represented their interests just as well as Obama, and indeed they supported her 2 to 1 just last October. Unfortunately for her, she blew it.

when it comes to race relations.... as evidenced by his Membership in a Black Supremacist Church for so many years.

Blacks are voting for Senator Obama based solely on his skin color in a much larger percentage than Whites are voting for Senator Clinton based solely on her skin color, which in turn makes Blacks as a group more Racist than Whites.

Well, I was trying to argue that voting for Obama because he's black isn't necessarily racist. It doesn't mean that black voters think blacks are inherently superior to other races. Having a black president would help America become a more equal society. You can make a similar argument for women voting for Clinton. It doesn't necessarily mean they think women are better than men.

And it's not just because Obama is black, either, but because Obama is Obama, that he'd be good for race relations. As I said, Clinton had the chance to make her case to black voters. They would have defected to any alternative candidate, black or not, to some extent, after this performance. Of course, if Obama wasn't black the issue wouldn't have arisen in the first place, but let's say Obama was abducted by aliens after SC -- they would have defected to Edwards.

It's not "reverse racism", because blacks have more problems due to being black than whites have due to being white. Now, I know there are some people who might say whites are the most discriminated-against race, but I don't find that to be consistent with the evidence.

"Supremacy" means putting blacks above whites. I think you are referring to "black liberation theology", which comes out of the civil rights movement, and aims to bring blacks into equality with whites. The Trinity church certainly doesn't aim to put blacks into a position of superiority over whites.

Blacks as a group are Legally more Racist than Whites as a group.

What do you mean by legally? Are you referring to affirmative action laws?

Racism [legal definition]

"racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

So you're saying Clinton's human rights are being impaired because black people are voting for Obama based on his ability to better serve their interests? Or white people's human rights in general?

are Legally more Racist than Whites in the United States of America at this point in time.

@ HellFire:

"Souldn't you...... instead of trying to redefine Race in the United States of Ameirca, be trying to figure out your Spin for the huge West Virginia Loss that Senator Obama is about to have?"

The spin is that the race for pledged delegates is over. The superdelegates now declaring are declaring for Barack Obama. Obama is the presumptive nominee of the Democratic party.

Obama 08!

I'm going with Senator McCain.... Combat Veteran, Combat Wounded, Former POW, Retired Naval Captain.... Senator McCain has a lot going for him come November.

John "Bush" McCain is running on George W. Bush's record. Good luck with that!

Obama 08!

as there are just too few Blacks Nationally.

There are however more Blacks Nationally then there are Military Veterans and Active Duty, as well as Reserve Military in the Nation.... as there are some 26 Million Veterans in the Nation, as well as just shy of 3 Million Active Duty and Reserve Forces.

But, Veterans are old enough to Vote.... and, as one can join the Military at 17 and have to wait until 18 to Vote.... and, I'm guessing that the number of 17 year olds in the Military come November will be very small, so, I'll merely state that most all people in the Military are old enough to Vote.

While the Number of Blacks in the Nation is made up of Black Children as well as Black Adults.

States with the Highest Number of Veterans are States like California, with over 2 Million, Florida, with some 1.8 million, Texas, with some 1.7 million, New York, with some 1.2 million, Pennsylvania, with some 1.2 million and Ohio, with some 1.1 million.... all nice States to have in the ol' win column come Election Day.

As I have pointed out in the past... Veterans do tend to notice the little things, like Standing At Attention, and Placing ones Hand over ones Heart during the Playing of the National Anthem as an Important thing, and, as Veterans are bound to each other by Service to the Nation, I'd say that right now it is Senator Obama who is in need of lots of luck.

Oh, I know, there are Black Veterans.... some 2.5 Million Nationally.... so, Senator Obama can count on what... 90% of that number as a Lock?

Yikes! What is your obsession with race about? There are at least a dozen real issues that Barack Obama and John McCain have substantial differences over.

In case you haven't noticed, the economy is going down the toilet. A majority of voters actually care more about their livelihood than where Obama's hand is during the National Anthem.

Obama 08!

McCain won't get elected. This election will be a landslide win for Obama, similar to the Reagan landslide against Carter. McCain might get 5-10 states.

Even if all Obama did was end the Iraq war and then go on vacation for the next 4-8 years, I would still vote for him over someone who still supports this war, and is willing to destroy America for it.

And by the way, everyone is racist to one degree or another, it is human nature. You want people similar to you to do well, because you believe if they do well then it is possible for you to do well too. I wish the word racist would stop being such a pejorative and a conversation stopper. It is possible to want your own race to do well and still be fair in your dealings with other races.