this weekend John. While driving cross state I reviewed much of what had happened during this Democratic Party nomination process and, to my surprise, came to the conclusion that it is probably already too late for a democratic candidate to win the presidency this time around.

What was a guaranteed win only a couple of months ago is now doomed. This is essentially because the DNC tried to ram the wrong candidate down the party's throat and too many members are refusing to swallow the bitter tasting pill.

Too many White democrats and non-Black minority democrats are not going to vote for Barack Obama for him to win in the general election. This is not only because he is Black -- although obviously there is some racism there -- but because he is simply too ultra-left liberal for their mainstream tastes. They could have stomached the more Centrist Hillary Clinton -- even though many of them are misogynists [let's not fool ourselves about that either], but not Obama with his iffy background and affiliations.

Then too there are untold numbers of Black democrats that voted for Obama essentially because he is Black as well as well spoken and etcetera. Had he not been Black, however, he would NOT be getting 93 percent of the Black vote. Don't continue to be childish and beg to differ on this.

The thing is though that these racist and bitter Blacks are not, at this point, going to shrug it off if Barack Obama should lose the nomination on the convention floor, even if by then Hillary has clenched the Party's popular vote. Despite her [Hillary's] wishful thinking, they [Blacks] are not going to go back to HER, because between ultra-liberals and the biased press they are now convinced that Hillary and Bill Clinton are Black hating racists.

Well after the way that G.W Bush let vast numbers of Black New Orleans citizens drown and then the survivors die of thirst, I'm not surprised if their [Blacks] paranoia is hair trigger and off the scale.

So Bill [the first Black President] and Hillary, who spent much of her life working for Civil Rights, are now Black-hating racists, and so be it.

The Democratic Party cannot pull itself together in time to defeat John McCain and a thoroughly prepared and lock-step functioning Republican Party.

Vast numbers of mainstream democrats are not going to vote for Barack Obama when John McCain is actually fairly liberal for a republican. Vast numbers of enraged and -- yes -- bitter Blacks are not going to vote for that racist bitch, Hillary Clinton.

All McCain has to do now is just keep his incipient senility under control, mouth the correct platitudes, and relax. Thanks to the corrupt actions of the DNC to MAKE Obama become the nominee rather than allowing things to play out as they would, the Democratic Party has once again shot itself in the foot.

So we get four more years worth of republicanism. Somehow I don't see this as a cause for wild celebration.

Fortunately, November is still a long way off in political years. There's time to heal the animosity that the Clinton campaign injected into the race. There's also some very daunting problems from the Right: there are more Democrats than Republicans, by a significant margin. Obama is far, far better funded than McCain. On a related note, his campaign is far, far better organized. On election day, he could have upwards of a million volunteers canvassing for him. McCain will have his own problems with conservatives, and will likely have to continue to run right to court them; this leaves the center wide open for Obama. Obama's positions on many issues are actually right of Clinton's, and so he will be relatively well positioned to make that case. In a general election, there are many, many more casual voters, and they tend to vote overwhelmingly for the candidate they consider more attractive. McCain's age will be a factor. Obama will have several opportunities to address very large audiences, and his rhetorical aptitude will serve him well. The black vote should be incredible in many states, and could put the South in play, especially if McCain is unable to get social conservatives to turn out. Obama is, even if you can't stand him, an extremely competent campaigner, and always moves up in polls as time goes on. He has a number of strong choices for VP that can help him with in certain areas, and has demonstrated the political acumen to make that choice well.

I don't think things are quite as grim as you believe.

"I suffered a bit of an epiphany..."

No, what you suffered was a really bad case of sour grapes.

"... the DNC tried to ram the wrong candidate down the party's throat... "

Before the Iowa caucus Hillary Clinton was the presumptive nominee.

"The thing is though that these racist and bitter Blacks..."

Said the pot to the kettle.

Look, we get it. You are angry and bitter because Hillary Clinton lost. But lashing out at scapegoats makes you look petty and vindictive. Please, give it a rest.

Obama 08!

he's ever dreamed of having access to the moment that either Hillary or Obama officially become the nominee; and this is due to the reasons that I sated.

As for Hillary, many millions of ardent Hillary fans have been waiting for her to run for the presidency since the early 1990s. They have been in her corner against all odds and all attacks for more than a decade and they have laughed with her, cried with her, and suffered bouts of rage in sympathy with her hardships. To think that about fifteen years worth of ardent expectation is just going to vanish without a trace of LASTING rage, is unreasonable optimism.

Similarly, if Barack were to lose at this point then UNLESS he became Hillary's vice president or she selects another high profile and extraordinarily popular, they will never return to her as voters.

So, no, I do not think that I am being overly grim about this and nor do I think that there is still time to heal the rift and wounds. Thanks to the corrupt machinations of the DNC the party is going to split, and perhaps permanently so.

that you suffered any kind of epiphany yesterday since its the same angry tirade you've been having for over a week now.

Yep, you're pissed that Hillary lost. Got it.

Yep, you think Obama supporters are fucking idiots. Got it.

Yep, Obama is the embodiment of "angry Blacks." Got it.

Yep, everyone but you is a racist. Got it.

Yep, you're the only one who has a brain or uses it. Got it.

Not new. Not an epiphany.

Hillary Clinton was stating an obvious fact: no one can win the Presidency without the white working class vote. Obama can't win it either without the white working class vote and so far he doesn't have that vote. I don't think the Republicans can win the general election but if Obama is the Presidential candidate they (being the most virulent racists anyone can imagine, hence what happened in New Orleans) will have plenty of ways to attack him and pull those white working class votes over to them in a 'better the devil you know' scenario. Why risk it? Put Obama and Clinton on the ticket.Cheney has altered the powers of the Vice President so much, it doesn't matter all that much if you're Pres. or Vice Pres. - both are very powerful positions- and I think Obama and Clinton could do great things for America in those roles, in terms of uniting and healing the country and holding the Bush gang accountable for their actions. Isn't that what really matters in the end?

me that you are incapable of independent thought. I figured that out about you some time ago.

An epiphany occured when it all came together for me and I actually understood how everything was fitting together. It's the difference between Obamacrats in a dark room feverishly feeling up bits and pieces of an elephant and each one declaring something foolish about the mystery creature as a result, and a wise man standing in a well lighted room actually seeing the big picture.

It's my epiphany and my revelation and I am sharing it because not everyone is a mono-dimensional, group-grope lock-step person incapable of engaging in original and independent thought. Some posters actually have minds and enjoy using them.

Still, to each his or her own, and I wish you the warm, comforting, joy of your cliquish fantasies.

probably have worked even a month ago, but the DNC has already invested too much corruption and effort into making Obama the presidential nominee to allow that to happen. Then, too, after fifteen or so years worth of waiting for and working for the establishment of a Hillary Clinton presidency, most of the really dedicated Hillary supporters are not going to accept an Obama/Hillary ordered ticket.

There is a vast amount of emotionalism here and it cannot be ignored nor swept away with an airy wave of the hand. Then, too, it is possible that disappointed Black democrats will not themselves accept a Hillary/Obama ordered ticket.

This is even assuming that either candidate would be amenable to such a 'solution' at this point.

I honestly think that it is too late for the Democratic Party thanks to the corrupt machinations of the DNC. They have dug themselves and the Party a hole that cannot be scaled.

no one takes you seriously enough anymore to argue with you? Contemplate your posting habits.

I love that all the enthusiasm and energy Obama has created has been twisted by haters into mindless "Obamazombies." Jealous much?

nauseating and horrific how frequent the thought processes of the average Obamacrat is a funhouse mirror image of that of the average Rightwingnut radical.

It's rather difficult to have respect for people that seem so very much -- in the way their minds process information and generate conclusions -- one with the fanatics that gave us a destroyed economy and the Vietnam War Mark II mod I.

Sure they are for Kumbaya in our time rather than warfare, but their rationalization processes are along the same irrational, non-thinking lines.

@ Gatewood:

"I honestly think that it is too late for the Democratic Party thanks to the corrupt machinations of the DNC."

First sign of a crackpot: Spinning crackpot conspiracy theories.

"... a wise man standing in a well lighted room actually seeing the big picture."

Second sign of a crackpot: Self-aggrandizement.

"An epiphany occured when it all came together for me and I actually understood how everything was fitting together."

Third sign of a crackpot: Delusions of grandeur.

"It's my epiphany and my revelation and I am sharing it..."

Fourth sign of a crackpot: Self-absorbtion.

Gatewood,

I understand that you are emotionally invested in your candidate, and that you're angry that she lost. If Obama had lost, I'd have been angry, as well.

I think that your point about emotionalism is pretty accurate, and illustrates a danger. Should we let emotionalism get in the way of our duty as citizens to vote for the candidate who we feel would enact the policies that are best for our country?

It has oft been noted that Clinton and Obama offer many similar policy prescriptions for the country. Presumably, you think these policy prescriptions are desirable--that's one of the reasons why you supported your candidate. I hope that over the course of the next several months you can be adult enough to support the individual who you feel would be best president for our country.

What universe do you live in? The DNC stuffed Obama down people's throats????!!!???? The whole process was front-loaded to favor Hillary (the presumptive nominee); she leads in DNC superdelegates (but is far behind among the people who know her best, her Senate colleagues). If McCain is going to win, why is it that, despite having the field to him self for months now he can't get a lead over Obama in the polls? In May 1992, when Bill Clinton ran, he trailed both Bush Sr. and Perot. And that was without any significant Democratic competition (other than Gennifer Flowers).

rules so that Michigan and Florida would be forced out of contention. They did this because Howard Dean, Donna Brazille and probably Nancy Pelosi were begging Obama to enter the race and, if he could remain in contention long enough would continue to rig and pull rules and strings so that the 'rules' would place the nomination into his lap.

If you would get off your atrophied brain and do a bit of research you would readily discover this. They didn't even bother to hide their trail in their arrogance. They have actively been trying to GIVE Obama the nomination ever since.

Yadda, yadda, and so forth and so on. I may be willing to do your thinking for you but you have to do your own research; that is, IF you actually possess the necessary and inherent self-honesty to risk finding out things that might just burst your comfortable little fantasy bubble.