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What Obama will soon learn...C&P
by justoffal
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The most basic principles behind political poppycock and the realities of governing

Ludwig von Mises wrote in 1922 that "nothing is more calculated to make a demagogue popular than a constantly reiterated demand for heavy taxes on the rich." He also said that such a policy creates nothing. It is a purely destructive act that results in capital consumption.

Also shedding light on the topic is a book written five years later by Sigmund Freud. It is called The Future of an Illusion. Freud was talking about the illusion the infant has about its parents, who seemed to be so all-powerful. That unique title seems to fit the constant call for increased taxes on those earning over $200,000, thereby raising new revenues for the government to spend. It appears to policy-makers that taxes on the rich are all-powerful. In reality, that is an illusion.

The idea to tax those who make more than $200,000 a year is a longstanding strategy for getting votes. But that is all it is good for. It won’t raise revenue even though on its face it should, but in the real world, it is just a political ploy. The rich have always had the wherewithal to avoid excessive taxation. They just rearrange their affairs to avoid taxation, something the middle classes are not able to do.

The middle classes have always been the only dependable source for taxes. If a government really wants revenue, that is where they have to go. Tax historians have noted this for centuries.

Ronald Reagan’s tax planning is just one simple example of how the rich can easily avoid the upper tax brackets. Someone noticed what a fine golf swing Reagan had, and the answer was that when he reached the top tax bracket, he stopped working and played golf for the rest of the year. Many wealthy doctors (and others) do the same thing, closing down their medical practice around August and then taking a vacation from earning money for the rest of the year. A government cannot force a wealthy taxpayer to work if the taxpayer finds the tax rates personally intolerable, especially if they are targeted for attack.

Others, with smart accountants, using many forms of sophisticated tax planning, easily avoid the impact of high tax brackets. If Congress goes along with a plan to greatly increase taxes on earnings above $200,000, we can expect a flood of deferred compensation plans covering earnings above that figure. The rich will use what the Treasury recognizes and calls the "Rabbi Trust," since it was first formulated for a rabbi, and later became a Treasury approved tax-deferral device for everyone.

However, the Rabbi Trust and Reagan’s golf habits are, as any competent tax practitioner knows, just two of many routine ways to avoid Kerry’s soak-the-rich tax strategy. The possibilities are legion.

History is full of amazing examples, like the first income tax in the United States, in 1916, when the top bracket was 7 percent; a few years later the top bracket was raised to 77 percent, or 11 times higher. Yet the 77 percent rate did not produce 11 times as much revenue; in fact it shocked the Treasury by producing almost the same revenue as the 7 percent rate did. At the 7 percent top bracket, about 1,300 returns were filed; with the 77 percent top bracket, only about 250 returns were filed. Where did all the top bracket taxpayers go? The rich simply rearranged their affairs to avoid the 77 percent tax rate.

In May of 1894, when Britain adopted the first progressive tax rates, the London Times astutely observed: "Single out the big and moderately big properties for attack, and very soon, as if by magic, they will begin to evade you and disappear, as all things in the world very reasonably do when they are singled out for attack. Even the half starved crow will not wait to be continuously shot at."

Thirty years later, President Calvin Coolidge learned the truth of the Times observation when the United States Internal Revenue Bureau informed him that high progressive rates lead us to "the point of getting nothing at all." It was this amazing phenomenon that prompted the Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon, to propose a Constitutional amendment to cap tax rates at 25 percent, considered to be the rate that would produce the greatest amount of revenue for the government. Once the rate exceeded 25 percent, tax planning would kick in gear, and revenues would decline. Even the American Bar Association supported this amendment.

Again, if soak-the-rich tax policy becomes law, we can predict with certainty that most of these taxpayers will disappear, "as if by magic." And the middle class, just as certain, will have to "pick up the tab," as the saying goes. That is not an illusion. That is reality.

Finally, after World War I, when France’s war-time premier, George Clemenceau, was leaving America following lectures at America’s leading universities, he was asked if he had any complaints about Americans. He said, "Yes, there were two: They make a lousy cup of coffee, and they are appallingly ignorant of history."

That is still true when it comes to taxes. America is one of the only countries in Western Civilization where there are no courses on tax history at our universities. We are appallingly ignorant of tax history. If we knew our history, we could see soak-the-rich plans for the folly that they are.

we are appallingly ignorant of all financial
by DaysLight

matters, and especially ignorant of historical record that might shed light on those matters.

...but it is not by design, it just happened coincidentally at the same time that european central bankers extended their influence over our society. The invisible hand.

where did you dig up all that tax history? great post!

oops now I see the c&p
by DaysLight
justoffal, it read the same as your basic posting; I thought it was your usual stuff. That's how good you write fray posts.
I stumbled on this while looking for
by justoffal

something else...funny...the very first person I thought of when I read it was you...it reminded me of one of your posts from moneybox some time ago....that's how good you write fray posts! :)

jo

okay, then it's agreed
by DaysLight

what the hell do we need with the rest of these fools?

;)

Re: What Obama will soon learn...C&P
by JanZ
Good post jo, thanks.
As I was telling Days
by justoffal

I stumbled onto this thing and then the first few lines caught my attention...I realized after reading it that it was worth putting up as a C&P .. It is one of the best articles I have ever read on what we know and don't know about the Tax structure of this country.

thanks

jo

27 years and counting
by genedio

That's how long the tax-cutters have been in charge. Oh, Bill Clinton made a small reversal in 1993 by bumping up the top rate about 5%, but the fact of the matter is that top rates were slashed from 50% under Carter to 35% today. Capital gains tax rates have been slashed all the way to 15%. This has indeed made rich people a lot richer; the number of American billionaires continues to rise. And what of the vaunted American middle class? It seems to have split along the familiar 80%/20% line. You know, like 20% of the people make 80% of the money and pay 80% of the taxes...80% of the middle class have not done well under this tax cutting regime, but the worst is the debt legacy they're leaving for our grandkids. The tax cuts never added up...Reagan promised he'd have those deficits go away, Bush said he'd cut the deficit in half...It was all snake oil. They never cut SPENDING, so how could the tax cuts make the deficits go away? The Laffer curve? Laffer merely posited that at some point a hike in the tax rate would produce less tax revenue, as high earners would indeed be out at the golf course. But this point isn't 35% or 15%, it's considerably higher.

Ludwig von Mises wrote in 1922 that "nothing is more calculated to make a demagogue popular than a constantly reiterated demand for heavy taxes on the rich."

And Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush became popular by sending out $300 tax cuts to Joe Sixpack and $300,000 tax cuts to their fat cat donors, while borrowing (and spending) like there's no tomorrow.

How times change.

Re: What Obama will soon learn...C&P
by JackD
Given the fact that the middle class seems to be shrinking, if not disappearing, don't you think that looking to them for tax revenues might be futile? Isn't it possible that, like Willy Sutton, the government might go where the money is (in his case, banks; in our case, those making over $200,000) and close off those loopholes that the well to do and their tax lawyers use to avoid having to actually pay? To those of us who are unsophisticated in finance, it sounds like a plan.
Beat me to the Willy Sutton simile
by genedio

Which I was indeed thinking of when writing my response.

What sickens me is the ever changeable rationales for keeping taxes low on the rich. The 1920s also had low rates, as the cited article related--about 25%. We all know how that decade ended. Roosevelt raised and raised the top rate, and by Truman's time it was over 90%. Of course there was the war to fund. Eisenhower averaged high 80's, Kennedy cut to 70%, and the rate was 50% by the time Carter left office. Then it was down to 28% in 1986 for the rich (33% for the upper-middles!) and then back to 35% under GHW Bush. Up to 39% under Clinton, back to 35% under GW Bush, with capital gains and dividend taxes cut in 2003 and still holding today.

Instead of Mises' soaking the rich with taxes, they've been soaking the rich with tax cuts for decades. The rationale was originally to spur business creation, entrepreneurship, and investment in plant and equipment. Well, many of the rich just moved their production to China, cutting out American workers and reducing the tax base. Once taxes were insufficient, they just started borrowing big time. Now if threatened by tax hikes, they'll respond by tax loopholes or tax havens, or even leave the country. And you can be sure they'll be buying politicians as usual.

Sad to see JO and others falling for this crap.

There are an awful lot of loopholes out there
by justoffal

and closing them is going to take...get ready for it now...an act of congress..and good luck getting all of that through my friend because congress is owned by the same people you are trying to corner.

Just to give you a for instance...If I was still in business I would be doing a DBA right now and making damn sure that my income numbers were in the lowest bracket while at the same time enjoying all of the benefits of a DBA. You will never be able to eliminate the DBA because if you did you would trash more than half of the small businesses out there today and nobody is going to pass a law like that.

We are going to have to turn to a different system for revenue. Nobody is going to tolerate being targeted unless they can't stop it. The rich can always stop it.

I made a post several months that outlined
by justoffal
permanent damage due to rising prices..it basically outlined the history of cost increase measured against supply and demand and tempered with inflation. The facts are sad. Price increases are permanent because the market ratchets up to fit them once they have been instituted. Price corrections such as we see in the housing market come at a catastrophic price...the collapse of the economy. Similarly when Reagn started playing social fellatio with the wealthy they began to feel even more entitled than they already did. You can't beat them at their own game. The tax revenue gained from them is mostly voluntary on their part...if they chose to do so they could simply vanish from the tax map and chasing them into their corporations or their layered holdings is simply too expensive and probably futile. They also don't have to stay here in this country if we make it too hot for them. In short when the middle class disappears the taxes will rise like wildfire on the remaining bottom of the barrel wage earners. I can foresee keeping the current taxation processes while at the same time instituting a widespread commerce tax that drives up the gallon of milk like big oil has chased up the cost of a gallon of gas....mark my words...this is coming.
Re: What Obama will soon learn...C&P
by BlueDolphin

Ahem....

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hopefully, Obama will grow the U.S. to have a total of 58 States of the Union, adding 8 MORE STATES than currently so that their is more income, to handle and support MORE TAXES!

His statement that he has traveled all over the U.S. to include a total of 57 states plus one more to go (+1) was no mere idle "sleep deprivation excuse".

That Obama man intends to make this nation bigger, larger and a greater tax incentive for all its citizens.

This means that he will include Mexico, Canada, Costa Rica, Belize, Nicaragua, Panama, Haiti, and Guatemala as new additions to this nation. 58 STATES~!!

He really has a great plan for CHANGE! Now that is the Audacity of HOPE FOR CHANGE.

The current citizens of this nation don't really know it yet...they are still thinking with the mind set of 200+ years ago. This African citizen and American citizen (dual citizenship) has BIG PLANS FOR THIS CONTINENT!

wtf?

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