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Hillary will stay in the race
by larbabe

She will do so, not because she believes she will win, but admirably to try to unify the Democratic Party behind the candidacy of Barack Obama. And I think she should, least though May 20, and possibly into June.

According to ABC News <link>, Obama has now surpassed Hillary in superdelegates. Also, Rasmussen Reports has stated that “the race is over”, pronouncing Obama the Democratic presumptive nominee. <link>

The reason that Hillary will continue in the race at least through the Kentucky and Oregon primaries, is to try to quell the seething anger amongst some her supporters and to head off a potential backlash of those who may cross over to vote for McCain. You will notice that she will stop attacking Obama.

There are many here like myself who admire Hillary, who’ve defended her on numerous occasions (I'm even tied to her through family connections), but who prefer Obama. We have been on the receiving end of some inflamatory comments spewed forth by the more rabid Hillary supporters here, many of whom I’ve communicated with in the past (in a lot friendlier atmosphere). Long timers such as Loree who’ve been posting here and I’ve known since before Bush took office, are certainly not deserving of some of the outrageous diatribes I’ve observed.

Again, and I stress, admirably, Hillary will try to heal the wounds before she drops out. I sincerely hope that she will be considered for the VP spot on the 2008 ticket. Neocons such as Rain Man and Tickle Bob must be enjoying the in-fighting, thinking that the Democratic Party will never recover from its self-destruct mode, that McBush will be able to win the presidential race. I happen to disagree. I think that at sometime in the near future, we will all come together and support Obama as the candidate. What’s the alternative? Four more years of Bush? I don’t think so!

Re: Hillary will stay in the race
by Boss Greer

Those last 3 paragraphs are probably some of the best fantasy fiction you've ever written.

Carry on...

Two words...bull shit!
by SouthernGal

I'll go so far as to say I've known Loree longer than you have and no doubt on a more personal level and I can say with full confidence that everything she gets she very richly deserves.

Just because you are blind to her snide innuendos and underhanded remarks does not mean everyone is.

Do I hate Loree...no, but I do despise the the kind of person she is....which of course is my own personal opinion of her...and you can take it or leave it.

SG

Re: Hillary will stay in the race
by genedio

Hillary better start kissing up to Obama if she expects him to pay her campaign debts off.

But I disagree that she should be the VP. I don't think that would help him. In 2008 the Democrats were asked to support either a woman or a minority--not both. I think Obama should look around for a white guy, even another half breed like himself (Richardson), provided he doesn't have a goofy name like Obama.

Re: Hillary will stay in the race
by larbabe
genedio:

Hillary better start kissing up to Obama if she expects him to pay her campaign debts off.

Having loaned her campaign $11 million, I think she's got the bucks to pay off her own debt.

genedio:

But I disagree that she should be the VP. I don't think that would help him. In 2008 the Democrats were asked to support either a woman or a minority--not both. I think Obama should look around for a white guy, even another half breed like himself (Richardson), provided he doesn't have a goofy name like Obama.

I happen to know that there are some within the ranks of both candidates who are secretly working on such an arrangement. I happen to think that an Obama/Clinton ticket would be a good thing (once the echos of the campaign rhetoric has died down) There have been worse parings, such as Kennedy/Johnson.

FYI:

In the early years of this nation’s history, we pretty much abided by the following: Article. II. - The Executive Branch

Section 1 - In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President.

Re: Two words...bull shit!
by larbabe
SouthernGal:

I'll go so far as to say I've known Loree longer than you have and no doubt on a more personal level and I can say with full confidence that everything she gets she very richly deserves.

So you've known her since before 2000 (that's how long I've known Loree. I used to go be Liberator back then)? I know I've at least communicated with you since 2004. I don't ever remember you voicing such anger at Loree until these past two years (during the Democratic run-off's). Regardless, (please don't take offense) I think you, Loree, MA, and the others need to find common ground. Otherwise, McSame will pick up the pieces!

Re: Two words...bull shit!
by TickleBob

It's hard on Obama!

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After I reread your post I realized you have
by SouthernGal

known her longer than I but I doubt you know her as personally as do. I figured once you corrected me I could explain myself. I have been on this board since 2001 and with this same nic.

Politics has very little or nothing to do with the way I feel about Loree and she knows it...it's just one more thing we do not like about each other. Loree is one of those people who holds your friend's [Cat's] sins against you [me]. Ironic is it not considering how she defends the relationship between Wright and Obama...ha ha ha.

If I have offended you, Larry I apologize...I've always liked you and found you to be very fair.

Take care,

SG

Re: Hillary will stay in the race
by TickleBob
larbabe:

Long timers such as Loree who’ve been posting here and I’ve known since before Bush took office, are certainly not deserving of some of the outrageous diatribes I’ve observed.

Then you must remember when her name was always preceeded with "Lying".-

Re: After I reread your post I realized you have
by larbabe
SouthernGal:

known her longer than I but I doubt you know her as personally as do. I figured once you corrected me I could explain myself. I have been on this board since 2001 and with this same nic.

Politics has very little or nothing to do with the way I feel about Loree and she knows it...it's just one more thing we do not like about each other. Loree is one of those people who holds your friend's [Cat's] sins against you [me]. Ironic is it not considering how she defends the relationship between Wright and Obama...ha ha ha.

If I have offended you, Larry I apologize...I've always liked you and found you to be very fair.

Take care,

SG

Ditto! I like ALL of you. That's why I hate to see all of this in-fighting.

Obama's VP.
by Arkady

The challenge for Obama is that he has so many weaknesses to cover with a VP pick.

Most of the time it's pretty obvious what vulnerability needs tending, and the VP slot can start to address it. For example, if you've got a Northern Democrat, a Southern Democrat can balance his geographic appeal. If you've got someone strong with the cities, get someone strong with rural areas as a complement. If you've got a very liberal Democrat, a more centrist one can balance his political appeal. If you've got a candidate without military experience, a VP with military experience will cover that. If you've got a candidate who has unusually little big-time political experience, a real Washington heavy-hitter can cover that. If you've got someone who lacks executive experience, pair him with a governor or someone who had a major role in some prior administration.

That's in addition to the general desire to have a tireless campaigner, someone who'll do well in the VP debates, someone who is comfortable in the role of attack dog, someone who is a strong fund raiser, and someone who is demonstrably comfortable in the role of second fiddle to the president.

With Obama's you've got the perfect storm. You've got a Northern, liberal, urban Democrat with no miltary experience, no executive experience, and some of the least big-time political experience ever for a major party nominee. There's simply no option as VP who can cover up all Obama's many vulnerabilities simultaneously. Whoever they pick, the contrasts with McCain are going to be major and unflattering. And picking someone gets all the tougher when you also try for that tireless campaigner and strong debater with an attack-dog mentality, much less one who is comfortable taking the second chair and knows how to rake in the dollars.

Clinton may be about as close as they can reasonably get to a good complement. She's stronger than Obama with working class whites, rural residents, Hispanics, older folks, and battleground states, all of which will be critical in November. She also has considerably more big-time experience than Obama, including a prominent role in a hugely successful Democratic presidential administration. She does nothing for him on the military front, but that may be a lost cause up against McCain, anyway.

Clinton is a relatively good complement for Obama, and she has the other traits people want in a VP. She's not quite as good a fundraiser as Obama, but she's still among the best ever. She's not quite as willing to go with the low blow as Obama, but she certainly can play the attack dog when it's called for. She's every bit as much of a tireless campaigner as Obama. She's a much better debater than Obama. And she happily took the backseat to the President for eight years during the Clinton administration. How much more would you want from a VP?

I don't doubt that Obama has spent so much time swooning over his own press clippings that he won't have the character to offer the VP slot to Clinton. But it's the smart move, and the right one for his party and this country. I hope he proves me wrong about his arrogance. Time will tell.

Re: Obama's VP.
by TickleBob

Rumors are MoveOn.org is promoting the very Reverend Jeramiah Wright.

LOL

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