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Character
by NickD
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This poster could never know what it might be like to grow up as a black man in America. He could also never understand being on the receiving end of a national hatred that would allow generations of people of his own heritage to be held in either bondage or forced subjugation and poverty, second class citizenship and subject to brutal retaliation leading to death for merely looking at a pretty girl.

Even today there exists a only a sheen of civility over the dislike of others not similar to our own in appearance and creed. It is a thin sheen that is not quite opaque, more of a thick translucence, penetrable only upon close and sincere examination. The hushed whisper of a joke in poor taste, or the coded words of neighborhoods and such that only pretend to be civil.

It is not only about race but also class. One can empathise with a man who might sit in another's church and listen to a message of both love and an not yet forgotten loathing of a recent past full of humiliation and murder against ones own heritage.

It is not enough to say "I know how you feel" because this poster does not. Though in a similar if not so extreme sense this poster shares a certain discrimination towards ones past. Having overcome many obstacles and prejudices himself with regards to monetary class, social class and a very rural upbringing this poster found it often very difficult to navigate the terrain of the comfortable, the privileged and respected blue collar classes.

Looking at a black man of some privilege sitting in a church where another black man is preaching a mixed message of both love and a not yet forgiven anger towards a system that has treated him so badly perhaps there is a reconcilable method to describe why a man would not walk completely away from such a speaker.

Using the experiences of this writer one can see his own past friendships and relationships where people with ordinarily good character and intent took a stand based on past experiences that were not in keeping with his own. A bad joke told with regards to the lives of those one matured with, or upon visiting ones old home listening to a conversation based upon a misunderstanding of cultures. Often this poster has found himself quietly listening to old friends disparage about others for things he knew to no longer be true, or to speakers who dismiss the former for reasons they know nothing about. But because this poster has known these people for most of his life and shared many joys and sorrows, births and deaths, marriages and divorce this poster remained silent.

How, this poster has often wondered, can he make things right, show these otherwise very decent people that this one particular view is not an accurate one? Certainly not by walking away, not by alienating and disparaging them. No, the best way is by embracing them and then leading by example.

Having never been cast under the national spotlight, never taking the risk of seeking higher office this poster has the luxury of disagreeing with people he holds close to his heart, some of whom he disagrees very strongly with regards to political and religious views yet remains close and even spending time and occasionaly sitting in church with them.

This poster can visualize sitting in Obama's pew, understanding a mans words while disagreeing with them. Knowing the messages of hope are separate from the angry words based on a life's experience of humiliation and discrimination. Its possible to understand how a good man can want to stay after hearing words he may find disagreeable. Words from a man who is otherwise working to make life better in a world where things are often very unjust and very unkind.

Obama may have been forced to distance himself from a man he considers a friend because of the political bile and sound track attacks that have become this nations political discourse. Some will distort such a relationship and will use it to sew seeds of hate regardless of the actions either man now takes. But it is more telling of the character of those who would use these angry words to create more anger than it is of the two men actually being discussed.

Re: Character
by Dubina
Who is this poster?
NickD, try thinking. Please.
by Skeptical3

Obama is a politician, not a saint

Obama is a politician who schemed and plotted in Chicago's Black wards and got elected State Senator.

Obama the politician continued to scheme and plot and got elected US Senator.

Obama the candidate for the Dem Party's presidential nomination continues to scheme and plot to become the US president.

Obama is even more gifted when it comes to presenting a public persona than our former great Slick Willie Clinton

Re: Character
by RainMan

Yeah, the system has treated Jeremiah Wright pretty badly allright. Now he has been forced to go live in a gated ghetto with a lot of rich white people. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I have no problem with Obie sitting in a black separatist, racist, hate-spewing church for 20 years....that's his right. My problem is with his presuming that he should be President of the United States.

Jack

"This poster could never know
by Gatewood

what it might be like to grow up as a black man in America. He could also never understand being on the receiving end of a national hatred that would allow generations of people of his own heritage to be held in either bondage or forced subjugation and poverty, second class citizenship and subject to brutal retaliation leading to death for merely looking at a pretty girl."

So you are beginning your essay by fervently declaring that you are stupid? So why should anyone heed the rest of your missive

I cannot know what it is like to be poor unless I have been poor? Oh really?

I cannot know what it is like to rob a bank unless I have done so.

I cannot imagine sex without having engaged in sex.

I cannot imagine love without having been in love.

I cannot know what it is like to be [fill in the blank] unless I have done it or been it. So you can never be a novelist or a poet or an adviser, psychologist or psychiatrist? As a matter of fact, you cannot be anything based on a predictive factor not founded on your personal past or present experiences. Hell, for that matter you cannot be a historian because it deals with a host of factors and roles that you have not personally experienced.

As a matter of fact you cannot have created your essay, never having been that which you lament and, still, somehow KNOW. Pathetic much.

You missed the pont entirely
by NickD

You say, according to your paradigm, that the essay written could not have been made, but it exists. Having never run a 26 mile marathon one cannot know how tired that runner truly is upon completion. However, having once been involved in cross country meets where 6 mile races were the norm this poster knows that one is hot, sweaty and tired when the race is over. One need not run the other 20 miles to know the marathoner will also be hot sweaty and tired.

Sorry but your anaolgies miss by a mile and a half.

No, if you did not grow up as a black person during and before the civil rights era you cannot know what it was like to be in that persons shoes. What you might be able to do, providing you have anything in your own life that MIGHT be similar if less extreme, is to have some real human empathy for your fellow man.

Re: NickD, try thinking. Please.
by NickD

You accuse a man of scheming and plotting to be president.

Horse hockey.

The man was asked over and over to consider running by many other politicians both black and white.

Once again you have no clue as to what you post, and once again it does not stop you from posting about it anyway. It is you who posts without thought but with soundtracks of AM radio reverberating between your ears.

Re: Character
by NickD

Oh and all those hate speweing churches of the south that turned their collective eyes away from the lynchings and burnings, the beatings and the brutal segragattion of blacks are such loving people. they should be held in such high regard eh? Oh yeah, they are, by all the neoconservative psuedo christians of the Republican party.

Please consider your character Jack. You place a communist Chinese lapel pin that bears a likeness of an American flag to be THE over riding issue of this election. You have posted as such. Sorry Jack.

Re: Character
by NickD
He is just someone who can slightly relate to a situation that is being misconstructed with glee in the MSM.
Re: Nick, you just keep getting dumber
by RainMan

as time goes by. Obie's refusal to wear the flag pin, along with his refusal to place his hand over his heart during the playing of the National Anthem, are just visible indicators that he is an America-hating, left-wing whacko.

Add that to his association with William Ayers, and the British Arab who had ties to Saddam Hussein, and his being joined at the hip with Jeremiah Wright, and he comes off looking very suspicious.

He will never be elected President of the United States.

Jack

You can't get it either
by NickD

Oh Jack,... Jack Jack Jack.

Your fetish about Chinese made lapel pins is simply amazing. Putting a $1.25 communist Chinese made lapel pin on your child labor made dress shirt does not make you any more of an American than some one who does not.

In fact the insistence of others wearing such an ornament borders on idolatry which is forbidden in the bible. Of course if you can trump up such garbage and make an issue out of it then you can probably forget that the money that sustained McCain's candidacy when he was failing was booze money made from addicts and drunken drivers. Alcohol is the most abused drug in America and it kills scores of thousands each year plus the drunken driving fatalities. Of course by whining about a lapel pin you hope to keep MADD from thinking about that.

The GOP claims to be of superior moral values but you gave us the most corrupt congress in history, a life long drunkard who failed in every business venture he ever attempted on his own and now you are trying to peddle an old man who is being pushed along by his much younger wife with her booze money.

My post was honest attempt to explain to honest thinking people how a man can stand beside another despite having major differences of opinions on serious issues. Its called character. It would be nice if the people who attack Obama for not callously wearing a communist made flag pin would actually demonstrate just half the character they so proudly thump their chests about.

You've proven my point, Nick
by RainMan

I rest my case.

Jack

You lose Jack
by NickD

If you are resting your case the jury will need less than 2 seconds to concur that you failed to make your case.

A flag pin does not make someone patriotic. If you think so then you are indeed a very stupid and easily fooled person.

re-reading this,
by Snolly G
i wonder if aspects couldn't be shared in terms of wright and farrakhan. people just aren't good/bad. they're both.
Re: re-reading this,
by NickD

Its possible. Not having spent ones life as a minority in this nation its hard to say how I would react to some of the injustices that so many of these Americans have suffered.

The Jews in Nazi Germany could hardly be expected to do the Hail Hitler salute. The comparison is not equivalent but does share parallels.

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