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Liberalism breeds contempt
by patron002
Theres not a day that goes by that I don't see a post from a democrat claiming that someone must be an uneducated moron, idiot who can't understand politics, racist low class bum, or some other name, that is clearly an attack on the lower classes. I don't think Liberals quite realize how much they buy into class superiority, they just spew their classism from their mouths and don't even think about the fact that they are insulting the people they claim to want to help. The problem with the liberal tradition is they inevitably think they are better than anybody with a different view, because they label themselves as 'progressives' and other positive images, while the working class is too busy working to take their views seriously.
Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by Davelias12

Funny, I keep hearing the same thing from conservatives. And, apparently because I don't wear a flag pin and I believe in gun control, I'm not a patriot.

Save the whine for a rainy day.

Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by confetti
I think YOU don't know how many liberals are POOR, struggled through State University systems, are actually a PART of the class they are tying to represent, and are "talking down" to no one but the genuine elitists, who are, by and large, rich, Ivy League educated CONSERVATIVES. This is one of the weirdest and most ubiquitous inversions among all of the inversions in perception that have driven this nation um... bats. Delusional. Spun into dumb insensibility.
Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by Davelias12

confetti:
I think YOU don't know how many liberals are POOR, struggled through State University systems, are actually a PART of the class they are tying to represent, and are "talking down" to no one but the genuine elitists, who are, by and large, rich, Ivy League educated CONSERVATIVES. This is one of the weirdest and most ubiquitous inversions among all of the inversions in perception that have driven this nation um... bats. Delusional. Spun into dumb insensibility.

Good points Confetti.

OK, and meanwhile...
by ayalonValley

the conservatives in power do nothing but exploit the working class and the poor, putting even more easy money in their pockets, while perfecting their "folksy" image.

But I guess you have no issue with that

patron002:
I don't think Liberals quite realize how much they buy into class superiority, they just spew their classism from their mouths and don't even think about the fact that they are insulting the people they claim to want to help.

I have to agree with you here. This is one reason why we all suffer under the upper class tyranny with a song on our lips..

Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by crowe
Yea, good reply! If conservatives would just stop picking their candidates based on such goofy criteria as being a Christian, being a gun owner, being a "regular" guy, and being a lying, hideous, immoral, creep who can't respond to the worst natural and man made disasters in our recent history with any integrity or intelligence, then maybe we smarty pants liberals would shut up.
Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by entj4sure

Perhaps liberalism breeds contempt among conservatives, but conservatism breeds contempt among liberals. Yes, I am offended by the hypocrisy of the "faith and values" party. Conservatives are the true "elitists". Rich conservatives believe that those that suffer must someone deserve it, they aren't hard working enough (or perhaps it is because they are "sinners"). Poor conservatives bow to the party based on some supreme belief that they are the "righteous ones" because they oppose gay marriage and are pro-life, and liberals are incensed that these poor conservatives are usually too uneducated to know that they are being used. The party that protects their cherished values is screwing them to the wall financially. The Republican party protects the poor conservatives "faith" in exchange for the protection of the rich conservatives "values"....money. When the Republican party says they want to cut taxes, rich Republicans understand what they mean. The poor Republican doesn't, he thinks they are talking about HIS taxes, not realizing they are talking about the taxes of the rich only.

So yes, liberals are just as contemptuous of conservatives, but for different reasons. For Rich conservatives, the contempt is for their lack of social conscience, for poor conservatives, it is for their ignorance in allowing the rich to use them to advance their own (rich) causes. It is poor conservatives that the Republican party feeds on, they know exactly how to play with with wedge issues.

Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by Split-S

What!!?? Come on. There are plenty of very wealthy “rich, Ivy League educated Liberals” as well. There are also poor liberals and poor conservatives. Being a liberal or a conservative has to do a lot more with ones philosophy on life rather than economic status. It is just that if you are poor or middle class it is hard to listen to a rich and privileged liberal tell you they are going to cut you a break without immediately seeing the hypocrisy in their rhetoric. The truth is Obama or Hillary will spend millions of dollars to become elected so that they can sit in office and do nothing for the poor. There will most certainly be poor after Obama’s 4-8 years in office, no one would deny that. The irony is that if but one of these privileged “elite” Liberals donated the money they spend to get elected on things like Planned Parenthood or various charities to help the poor they would be doing more for the poor and actually putting their money where their mouth is. But they won’t, because they don’t really care, they just want to get elected, just like the Bolsheviks before, modern socialists want power, and duping the poor with promises of “classless” society and claims that they understand the plight of the poor is the line they always use to sell it. It is not FOX news that makes us weary of the liberal elite, it is history. Name one socialist country without extremely rich and extremely poor.

Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by patron002
Davelias12, I like that people have different views, I think it makes our country a good place to live and creates balance. The difference is I believe that your view is equal to mine, while most people with your views would call me backwards. Although to be fair we don't disagree here. I believe in gun control, I don't want people driving around in tanks, but I do believe in the fundamental right to be able to defend oneself from the gov't and other dangers. As for the flag pin I agree with you 100% I wont vote for Obama because he's corrupt, inexperienced, and lies at least 3 times a day, but I think people using his name and flag pins against him are unfortunately focusing on topics that are of no importance. However, the fact remains that you just proved Orwell's point. Anbydoy that doesn't think like you is not only wrong but must have an inferior view of patriotism.
Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by irvingchang

'Rich conservatives believe that those that suffer must someone deserve it, they aren't hard working enough (or perhaps it is because they are "sinners").'

i believe that they suffer because they blow their money on beer, cigarettes, lotto tickets, tattoos and spinning rims for their cars.

fuck em.

Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by patron002
Your absolutely right there are many liberal poor, this isn't about them, this is about, the conservative poor, that everybody claims is "voting against their own interest" and insult daily. Actually your information is outdated confetti, The rich have deserted the Republicans and become by and large democrats according to new studies, if you want to find it just google it, I'm not a walking source finder.
Re: OK, and meanwhile...
by patron002
Hey, aylonvalley, I lose all credibility for this, because independents are automatically frowned upon, but I don't like either party, I feel neither of them have my best interest, or for that matter anybody but their own self interest at heart. If I could find a way I would get rid of these two parties and try something new I would, unfortunately for me, the majority of Americans must believe the system works great, because they keep voting for the same old tired parties who fail us again and again. Nothing happened under Clinton to really help the poor either, you have to understand that the older generation actually remember what its like to have democrats in power, and they haven't been a shining example of greatness either. Your right about Republicans, they do exploit the poor to some degree, but the democrats have done little in action to actually stop it, they talk a big game, but rarely take action.
Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by patron002
Crowe, how do you vote for your candidate? The one thats the best at pretending they will do something? I'm sorry but the democrats offer up the same crap republicans do. Kerry couldln't even say with a straight face that he was actually against the Iraq war, Obama stands on the fence on every single issue, and tries to lean whichever way his audience does. I'm sorry, but you keep offereing the same crap, and its going to keep losing. I realize that your fear of the Republicans has led your party to keep putting people with no experience up time and time again, but thats no excuse. Obama has done nothing his entire polticial career, he has taken credit for other people's accomplishments, made fluff bills, and done a whole lot of nothing. He will do the same as President. As for your comment about smarty pants... yep thats what Orwell was talking about... Liberals know best...
Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by entj4sure
irvingchang: I'm sure you do, every chance you get.
Re: Liberalism breeds contempt
by Davelias12

Patron:

Exactly how did you I prove your point? I was merely expressing my opinion about your contempt for liberals. You clearly disagree with them, which is fine, but for some reason you feel that your contempt is justified--which makes you a perfect example of that of which you despise.

I was just pointing that out.

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