As a native Pennsylvanian that took umbridge to Barak "Dance Party" Obamas idiotic take on people who live in my native state, I now have a better understanding of where he is coming from. As to his views on bitternerss and relegion; one can see that if you spent any amount of time having your mind poisoned in Jerimiah Wright's church, one would understand how one would equate bitterness and faith. Poor, poor Obie, he just doesn't have any other frame of reference. As to statements made about clining to guns; well, I guess if you hang out in the inner city of Chicago, clinging to one's guns is some sort of social norm:

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The people that Obama knows, bitter in life, embracing a viel hateful doctrine masquarading as relegion, roam the streets of the Windy City "popping a cap in the ass" of random passewrs by for no rhyme or reason. One can only assume that the shooting vitims in these cases are mostly people who are somehow different from the shooter, which in this world is reason enough for killing them. Now I see where Poor Obie, this is coming from, this is all he knows.

But of course, he is a uniter. This is his idea of bringing us all together. He isn't your usual politician, he would never do things or stay with people out of political expediency, not our Obie.

So the bible thumping-gun-toting hicks in small town PA hate immigrants because they are bitter about the economy? They hang on to faith and arms as some type of pathetic adult "blankie" to aleviate their frustrations in life? Jeez Mr. Obama, can then you then explain what's going on inner city Chicago since you are so darn smart?

To Obama's credit, I think HE realizes that he made a mistake in saying all that. BUT, to my never-ending puzzlement, I don't think many of his cultish followers do, at least not the ones who post on here all the time in angry lock-step agreement. They didn't and DON'T, think that it's wrong in any way to insult entire states or large groups of potential November democratic voters, or "Hitlery" supporters who are "republicans" or worse... And they wonder why we call them a cult...

I'm not sure about his knowing his mistake. I listened to his speech afterward and it contained the same old garbage, that he was taken out of context and misconstrued. He then took the arrogant stand of saying "everyone knows that I'm right". Ooh really? His biogoted and uninformed opinion that millions of the people he wishes to govern are bitter delusional dolts is and absolute truth that no one can question? How about this asshole Wright? Obama is smart enough to be the first black editro fo the Harvard Law Review, but he couldn't see this guy was a hatemonger over a 20 year period? That doesn't cut well for Obama; he either is not the sharpest tool in the shed, agrees with Wright or stayed in the church for political expediency, which makes him JUST A RUN OF THE MILL OLD FASHIONED POLITICIAN NO DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE REST.

As to his evil litlle minions and their cultish devotion to his line of bull, they will be the first to turn on him if he does get elected. Watching that unfold may be worth the price of his winning it all. As an aside, this is the same group so eager to label any and all as either Nazis or racists, or worse; racist-nazis for even questioning there little Baraky. Isn't it ironic that Hitler was a great orator who mesmerized a nation. just like Barak Obama.

You fellas spew a lot of hate for denouncing people who associate with those who get carried away with their rhetoric.

You realize, of course, you're nothing but little Jeremiah Wrights of the Fray yourselves. (But without the social outreach programs to humanize you.)

Wow, MomboMan, you seem pissed off. What is your dislike of Barack? I don't think he's perfect, but I'm over 40 and I've learned that no one is perfect. It was some of my 20 something babysitters who had the stars in their eyes. I think that was more a factor of their age. Did anyone think that Barack was not a politician? Then you haven't been living in the world. All these guys who hold office, by definition, are politicians. Are you a Hillary supporter who just can't stand Barack? Then, o.k., this is free country and you can vote for her or for whomever is running.

Let's assume, as I have done in quieter moments, that part of the reason that Barack joined that church was for political expediency. Do you think he spent the time there that he did just for political reasons? (Well, of course, I don't know how much time he actually spent there, I'm not sure they were taking attendance.) But in when I go to church, which is not very often, I go because I want to be there. Are you so cynical that you believe that Barack is wholly without a sense of something greater than himself, which he expresses as a Christian?

Whether you think it is B.S. or not, what's so wrong with trying to bring out the best of all of us in this country? With economy in the shape that it is in and our continued problems in the middle east, you would think that we could bring ourselves to see the best in ourselves. It is a shame that Wright couldn't help Barack do that, because I think all good spiritual leaders should. Wright is just trying to slam back all who slammed at him, but not in my mind, in a very Christian way. Remember the parable about turning the other cheek?

@ Real Slim K:

"And they wonder why we call them a cult..."

We? No, no, no. You have been calling Barack Obama supporters a cult. I do see your point, though. Obama is charismatic and inspiring. He does attract a certain following of uncritical admirers, mostly young people.

I'm in my 50s and have been following politics since Richard Nixon was president. In 1992 I supported a charismatic and inspiring candidate named Bill Clinton. While he wasn't a bad president, he was a disappointing president. He never lived up to his potential.

Obama is like Clinton in 1992. He too has potential. Will he live up to his potential? Who knows? But here's the thing. The nation needs what he's selling. The nation is facing at least half a dozen crises.

These crises have been a long time in the making. They are getting worse every year because Washington is completely dysfunctional. And Washington is completely dysfunctional because the nation is so deeply divided.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. We all know this. If we don't soon come together as a nation our decline will rapidly accelerate. Of the three candidates Barack Obama is the only one who has shown that he understands the urgency of addressing the underlying problem.

Obama 08!

Ifskater;

Pissed off, no irritated yes. Watching the media's love affair with Obama and their outright rooting for him got to be too much. Finally SNL parodied them as it was so obvious, and they reluctantly made a half-baked attempt at actually being jpournalists when it came to him.

Then there is Obama himself. His "bitter" comments were patently offensive and quite stupid. His later explantion was arrogant and elitist. Should we expect any less from a politician; probably not. But Obama sets himself apart for the old politics. How many times have we heard this on the campain trail? If this is the position he stakes out for himself, than he should hold himself to a higher standard than the others, and we should do so as well. I was glad to hear what he said about Wright yesterday (my earlier post was written prior to seeing the transcript). I have more respect for him now than before. However, Obama spent some 20 years in this church, and for hime to not know Wright's positions, after all, they sold CD's of these idiotic rants in the lobby, it comes to question Obama's judgement and claim to be a different politician. I'm not cynical that he went to A church for political purposes or that he went to THAT church. Although I am not relegious myself, I don't deny those who find solace in faith. I can only assume he finds a sincere peace through a relationship with God. I do question why he stayed for so long, given Wright's positions. My other comments were a sarcastic slap at a canidacy that seems based on a lie. You ask, "what's so wrong with trying to bring out the best of all of us in this country?" Nothing at all, but I want more than flowery prose as an example. I would ask you how do his bitter remarks do that? How do his earlier defenses of Wright do that?

When someone puts themselves above others and preaches to us, they should be held to a higher standard, and when they don't live up to what they preach, they should harshly reminded of their hypocracy.

The fact is that Act I of the Wright drama, bittergate, and the ABC "debate" had no significant impact on Barack Obama in PA. He was 9 points behind Hillary Clinton in the PA polls before the Wright videos surfaced and he was 9 points behind Clinton in the final PA vote.

This year the voters won't be distracted by irrelevant sideshows. This year Barack Obama will be elected 44th President of the United States.

Obama 08!

I beleive you are comparing apples and oranges here. These events had little effect on Obama in the demcratic primaries, as his followers will stay with him. The landscape changes in the general election when he faces McCain. The election will be won by winning over the independents, particularly in key states. Both have shown they can appeal to this group, but these issues can swing those votes. It is also interesting to note that the "disaffected" factor in the dem party. Poles show that a significant number of HRC supporters will not vote Obama in the fall and the reverse is true as well. A few months ago I would have thought the dem a shoe in, now, I think McCain is a real possibility.