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Letters From Iwo Jima...anyone seen this piece of trash?
by Sgt_ROCK
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Portraying Japanese soldiers as innocent, chatty, homesick schoolboys gladly caring for a wounded GI, while US Marines are portrayed as bloodthirsty yahoos gleefully shooting Japanese prisoners who have been rounded up.

To quote Gilber Godfried: WHAT THE @#CK???

Re: Letters From Iwo Jima...anyone seen this piece of trash?
by Th Paine
Great movie. Of course it portrays them that way -- it is told from the fucking Japanese point of view.
Band of Brothers
by Urquhart

As I recall, some out of hand GI's shoot German POW's in that PIECE of SHIT. It happens. It's war. The Germans killed your buddies, so (some) take it out. Not everyone in a conscripted army is King Solomon, and they'd all seen some awful things.

I thought Letters From Iwo Jima was a great movie. Depicting an honorable group of warriors holding out in an untenable position, pretty sure they'd all die. And the strains and rifts that occur in such a situation.

You're supposed to shake hands and make up after wars. And meet in Valhalla to have a good feast.

Saving Private Ryan too.
by BFD
It showed some US infantrymen shooting German POWs n D-Day.
I saw it. Good movie.
by BFD

From what I understand it was based on letters from Japanese soldiers stationed on Iwo,captured Japanese documents about Iwo and the accounts of the few Japanese survivors.

I imagine soldiers in all countries at war think and talk about the same things.

Interesting contrast
by gmat
I wonder if it's a point-of-view thing. Wasn't there another movie by the same director, made at the same time, that was from the American point-of-view?
Flags of Our Fathers -- Clint Eastwood
by tartuffe
2 consecutive sane posts from you
by tartuffe

was obviously too much to hope for -- just as I suspected.

Re: The good news is....
by RainMan

that those innocent, chatty, homesick schoolboys all ended up as dead as fried chicken when the Marines got through with them.

Jack

Re: The good news is....
by jeqal
no haven't seen it am avoiding reading any responses in this thread, and won't go see it either, although noted at mother's house that they are playing back to back on cable (Clint Eastwood deal isn't it?)
Letters From Iwo Jima, Flags of Our Fathers
by Urquhart
Sigh. Watch both. Good movies. Pop some popcorn, turn down the lights. You can't watch a movie properly with the lights on. And you need snacks.
Yeah, it's trash.
by Fritz Gerlich

But not for your ideological reason. It simply falsified some of the history.

1. It misrepresents aspects of the military situation. The Japanese took 10 months to dig those caves and tunnels. It wasn't the relatively last-minute tactical inspiration that the movie shows.

2. The movie fails to give the viewer a geographical context for understanding the progress of the battle. My recollection is that we see a map of the island only once, briefly, somewhere near the beginning. Thereafter, characters refer repeatedly to places we have no way to place in relation to others. No, it was not meant as a training film. But good directors find ways to give the audience the information it needs without being pointedly didactic. Clint Eastwood, sometimes a superb actor, has never been a good director.

3. The computer graphic of the invasion fleet offshore is embarrassingly obvious (as bad as some of mountains in the ridiculous The Lord of the Rings).

4. The movie soft-pedals Imperial Army discipline. It shows one "bad" lieutenant yelling at privates, but otherwise the officers act fairly reasonably by American standards. In the real Japanese army, superiors regularly struck inferiors (this was true at any level--a general could strike a colonel, in front of his men). A Japanese private was not even allowed to say "Yes, sir, I will carry out your order," because it implied that the private was interpreting the order and expressing his own intention to follow it. The correct form was for the private to repeat the order word for word--"Do X, Y, Z, and return immediately, sir!" The private was supposed to think of himself as a machine set in motion by his superior.

5. The movie falsely portrays the Kempeitai as a strict police outfit that shot little kids' dogs. The Kempeitai was, in reality, the Japanese counterpart to the Gestapo, as committed to brutality against dissident Japanese, citizens of occupied nations, and prisoners of war, as Himmler's organization was.

You are right that the movie tends to falsify the relationship between the two sides. I am not aware of any Japanese abuse of captured Americans on Iwo Jima, but that was probably only because almost no Americans fell into Japanese hands. Elsewhere, the Japanese record on Allied prisoners was ghastly, and doubtless American prisoners on Iwo would have been treated the same way had the Japanese had the chance.

The single American Marine who kills a Japanese prisoner in the film is made to seem, like the bad Japanese lieutenant, an exception--when, in fact, Americans killing rather than capturing Japanese was commonplace throughout the war. It simply wasn't reported by American services or Allied correspondents. In general, there was intense racial hatred between Americans and Japanese, and that hatred was fully reflected in their conduct on the battlefield.

Yabbut, For a War Movie
by Urquhart
It's more accurate than the vast majority. And as far as your #5 point, killing a yappy dog registers with the viewing public. The outragometer fairly spikes.
It will be interesting to see, in 50 years,
by catnapping

how our troops are portrayed invading Iraq. The torture rooms, the rape rooms, rousting innocent families from their homes, shooting up noncombatants...throwing dogs off cliffs, laughing at the pain our country has caused Iraq's people.

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Americans Throw Dogs Off Cliffs!
by Urquhart

Damn, we really are bastards. Throwing dogs off cliffs and all. Thank God we were stopped on the brink of burying cats to their necks and then mowing their heads off.

I blame Rumsfeld.

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