1) Women choose to have a family and therefore cost the business owners more money in insurance costs.

2) Women take off an average of 12 more days per year for sick time than men do.

3) Because of theat time taken off, MEN are then told to pick up the slack of the work left by the women.

4) Most higher paying, dangerous jobs, require more physical strength than most women have the ability to perform the job safely.

FACTS ALL, SORRY LADIES!!

Thank you, Neanderthal Evensteven

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I don't know about #4, but I certainly agree otherwise.

As I said in another post, the Equal Pay Act would really just amount to legislating equal pay for unequal work to the benefit of women.

Frankly, the fact the HRC cosponsored this piece of trash is reason enough not to vote for her. We are supposed to have representative government.

How many women do you see fishing in the Bering Sea for Kinig Crab?

How many women do you see on the docks as longshoremen?

How many women do you see on SWAT teams?

How many women are in the Navy SEAL or for that matter ANY of the special forces operations in the armed services?

Don't men choose to have families too?

I'm preeeetty sure I have a father and a mother.

This is perhaps (sorry, neanderthal) one of the silliest posts I've read in a long time:

>> 1) Women choose to have a family and therefore cost the

>> business owners more money in insurance costs.

Where on earth is your proof of this? What kind of insurance are you talking about? And even if this were true, how would this justify paying a less to a woman who DIDN'T choose to have a family? And this is irrelevant to the subject at hand - are women who do the SAME JOB AS MEN costing the businesses these alleged costs, or are you comparing the costs of a female secretary to a male manager?

>>2) Women take off an average of 12 more days per year for

>>sick time than men do.

Do you have statistics to support how this breaks down between salaried and hourly employees? If it's an hourly employee, the statistic is meaningless, as the person is getting paid purely for the hours they work. If it's a salaried employee, it's still a meaningless statistic without other related data. For example, is there data on relative productivity (Can you prove that the women don't make up for the sick time off by working longer hours to make up for missed days?)? What about comparative vacation usage (i.e., do women have use more sick days but fewer vacation days?)? And finally it, as usual, comes back to the whole subject of Fair Pay... your number sounds suspiciously like a catch-all across all industries/positions; do women IN THE SAME JOB POSITION AS A MAN take an average of 12 more sick days?

>>3) Because of theat time taken off, MEN are then told to

>>pick up the slack of the work left by the women.

I'm calling total BS on this... you have NO data to back this up. How can you prove that when a woman takes time off, it's not ANOTHER WOMAN who picks up the slack? Or for that matter, how about the scenario where a man takes off and leaves women to pick up the slack?

>>4) Most higher paying, dangerous jobs, require more

>>physical strength than most women have the ability to

>>perform the job safely.

You have officially reached the bottom of the stupid barrel here. What high-paying dangerous jobs are you talking about here, the imaginary account executive/construction worker job? The stocktrader/liontamer? The sales manager/oil rig position? We're not talking about jobs that men can do and women can't. DUHHHHH! Then in that case the women wouldn't be doing those jobs. WTF DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WOMEN WHO DO THE *SAME* JOBS AS MEN GET PAID LESS THAN THEIR MALE COUNTERPARTS?!?!?!?!

>>FACTS ALL, SORRY LADIES!!

>>Thank you, Neanderthal Evensteven

No, you should be sorry... for failing to post a single supportable fact in your laughable post.

dog, you have never worked have you? all one has to do is work around females too see his post is correct...you think females work overtime to make up for taking more time off? your nuts...you think sitting behind a desk should be equal to the plumbers, electricians, carpenters, steel workers, pipe fitters, welders etc? again, your nuts..your gender repesents less than 1% of those professions, yet you CHOOSE to stay away from those because they are labor intensive, dirty, stressful professions,,you are capable of any of them, but you choose the cush jobs and want the same pay..outrageous..the house or apt. you sit in writing this tripe, you can thank MEN for, the mall you buy your shoes, thank MEN for, the roads you drive to the mall on, thank MEN for..its not called "MAN MADE" because females built it........

1. I am not having children. I better not be paid less than a man in the same position just because some other woman may or may not be fruiting.

2. But men get sick and die sooner...ya ever think that staying home when you are sick, and therefore not infecting others or exacerbating your own condition might be a GOOD thing that saves companies insurance money?

3. I daresay all the other workers, men and women, have to pick up the slack for the person who is sick.

4. Well, my 120-lb mother was a fisherman in Alaska for years, and my 115-lb female cousin was a firejumper and is currently a SCUBA industrial welder...find me a more dangerous job than that! Oh yeah, maybe epidemiologist or nurse in a critical care ward full of infectious patients. Those are dangerous, high paying jobs with lots of women in them.

Get off your high horse.

Freki

PS fisherperson? fisherwoman? I would say "shrimper" but I think that is someone with a foot fetish....

men have shorter life spans because of war, and they do all the dangerous jobs,,think that has anything to do with it? if you pay attention, you will have learned that female life span is going down due to more of you having to work..yep, equality sucks...

Um, my gender? Dude, I'm a man! And I've been working in a professional field alongside of women for the last 14 years. And they work just as hard as us guys, I have to tell you.

And let me further say that even if it were true that there are some jobs that we can do that women can't, it wouldn't change the fact that it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FAIR PAY ACT!!!!!

Seriously, are you an idiot? Or are you intentionally posting stupid opinions about a piece of legislation which has nothing to do with the arguments you are making. But, as a fellow guy, I can appreciate when our ego sometimes clouds our reason, so to help you out, I will post an excerpt from the actual legislation:

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THE LILLY LEDBETTER FAIR PAY ACT OF 2007
Key Points:

• In May, the Supreme Court issued a 5-4 decision, in Ledbetter v. Goodyear, that tosses aside prior law and makes it much harder for workers to pursue pay discrimination claims. The court held that a worker must file a charge of pay discrimination within 180 days of the employer’s first decision to pay someone less for discriminatory reasons.

• This bill rectifies the Supreme Court’s decision, thereby simply restoring the longstanding interpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act – that each paycheck that results from a discriminatory decision is itself a discriminatory act that resets the clock on the 180-day period within which a worker must file.

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If you are at all interested in what the Fair Pay Act actually proposes, the full text can be found through the link below. But NOWHERE does it suggest that people who do different jobs get paid the same.

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Wow, these are some of the lamest strawmen I've seen set up in a while. You idiots keep dancing around the issue; equal pay for equal work. We're not talking why a male fisherman makes more than a female secretary, but the legality of a male manager getting paid more than a female manager, if their productivity is the same. I guess you don't understand that the concern is that the pay differential hinges on one variable--gender. In other words, if you factor in differences (regardless of gender) in sick days, etc., there might still be a pay gap due to gender, and that is why it should be legal to sue. Oh, and next time, try citing some data. There is a big difference between opinion and verifiable facts.

Female animals tend to have longer lifespans because of biology. Sorry, oicuateonetwo. As I stated, men do MOST of the dangerous jobs that demand a high level of physical strength, but there are many jobs with a high mortality rate that women do all over the world. Try and convince me washing out someone's MRSA infection three times a day, or dealing with terminal care for Ebola patients isn't dangerous. Hell, hooking is insanely dangerous, and in most places, so is childbirth.

Not all of those manual labour construction jobs are men's because women don't want them. I can't tell you how frustrating it was to look for a painting job at an auto body shop. My inability to find work had nothing to do with my level of experience or my recommendations; I was highly qualified. I was informed, more or less subtly, that I wasn't getting hired because I was a chick, and girls "couldn't deal with the rowdy atmosphere" or "are better suited to clerical work".

Finally, quit harping on "MAN-made". If your granny knitted a lap throw, that would be considered "man-made" also. Give up the semantics before a bunch of crazed feminists come out of the woodwork and demand that we all spell "women" with a "y".

Freki

More than 50% of the children born today in the U.S. are out of wedlock. Which basically means that the man had very little if any say in his wanting to be the father. And before you say it takes two to make a baby, remember this, women ALWAYS, I REPEAT, ALWAYS have the final say in whether that child is to be born or not, no matter if the father wants the child or not!!!

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There are two acts running around. The one above is designed to attempt to make different jobs equitable in terms of pay. This proposed legislation is written to address the wage gap, which is a total fallacy.

I don't believe anyone here is suggesting that women should be paid less for the exact same work. The fact is that they are paid the same, with very rare exception. The exceptions are against the law. The law already protects them in that situation.

Freki - your anecdotes prove that even smaller than average women can do brutal and dangerous work. But women just don't choose to do those jobs, except in exceptionally rare circumstance like your entire family apparently. That is self-discrimination not sex discrimination.

The fact that the parents weren't married does not necessarily mean the father wasn't involved, you know. Plenty of boyfriends and girlfriends have kids together.

That said, I am all for a reliable, reversible, invisible form of birth control for men. I have a good friend that was screwed by some girl thinking "if I have his baby he will stay with me forever".

In the end, men have to realize they have more on the line if she gets pregnant (since she can abort). In order to cover their own asses, they should be wrapping that pickle EVERY SINGLE TIME they have sex. Yes, she should take equal responsibility, yes he should have some say, no, it's not fair, but that is the smart answer.

The closest equivalent is sexual assault. Women are far more likely to be assaulted then men, so women should ALWAYS wear "shoes they can run like hell in" (thanks Mom!) NEVER get trashed alone in a strange area, and always be alert. No, she doesn't deserve it, yes, she has the right to dress however she wants, yes, he should stop if she says no, and no, it's not fair. But that is the smart answer.

I am all for changing the laws to make it more fair for biological fathers of unwanted children, but you have to realize women will always have more say because the foetus is, in fact, feeding off their body.

Freki

While I agree men still tend to do the vast majority of brutal and dangerous work I fail to see how that is a factor here.

First one should NOT assume that brutal and dangerous work represents higher paying jobs. I work in IT and I make 150K a year. My work is really safe.

Anyhow I agree it is a JOKE to attempt to make different jobs equitable in terms of pay since there is no objective way to measure this.

For example, do I really deserve 150K a year to just sit behind a CRT screen???? I have NO CLUE! I just let the market place decide (and so far the market place has been very, very good to me).

Since women are equal they can also figure out how to make it in an open market place.