This article brings me to a conclusion about this church. And I say it with all my knowledge as a person and I know this to be the truth. This FLDS Church is an abomination to human kind, it is an abomination to God, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, for the belief that such practices can be held in such cult and violent and unrighteous ways such as abuse and murder, claiming that such is God's punishment for sins. Especailly that God cannot and will not punish innocent children for the sole purpose of punishing the mother, for Joseph Smith declared, "A Man will be punished for his own sins and not for Adam's transgression," meaning that the child that is sick will only be punished by actions that that child induces on himself, that may be iniquity to Christ. You cannot treat women like this, for though men are the holders of the mighty Priesthood, women are fair, and beautiful; NOT inferior. Men should uphold their wives as blessings and equals and best friends, not objects of their own consent. I know that what YOU self-centered ignominous people are, you are an abomination to the Godhead who created you, and as such you will be held accountable for such perverted ways. How can you make your lives easier while everyone else dwells below in fear and submission, stealing of their happiness and dignity. The color red is out of the question! How can you bann such a color when it is the one true God who put it into action before you were created. This and many other things denote that you are evil people when you uphold these iniquitous practices you corrupt people. I Belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and therefore is the only true church on this earth, and I cannot deny it, nor will anyone ever make me.

ST of Meridian, Idaho

AMEN

Do mainstream Mormons believe they will get their own planet after death? If so, what does one have to do to get one's own planet?

is a true representation of the 19th century Mormon religion as run by Brigham Young.

The Mormons, being run by businessmen have changed the religion enough to get along with the rest of the world. If they had not, then the church would still look exactly like the FLDS

It is not a true representation on 19th century LDS religion, nor would those in the FLDS find any simpathy or mercy from Brigham Young. It is an afront to God and all who are faithful to him.

If you are seriously asking this question I would be delighted to answer it for you. However, if it is simply said in jest, or hostility I will not.

I am sorry if this offends you, but I have read and heard too many people using this concept to ridicule and attack the LDS faith.

What part of the FLDS would affront Brother Brigham?

Those penis holders Priesthood holders who give 10% of their income, go to the temple, and are faithful members of the church will become gods. They will be able to have hundreds of hot babes Perfected women to have sex with for eternity make children to populate their planets for eternity.

Mormon women who are faithful will become a hot babe, er physically perfected being who will get to take her turn sharing her god husband with the other women, and pop out spiritual rugrats for eternity. It may sound horrible for her now, but that is just because she doesn't have the knowledge she will have when she is in that heavenly harem, and because the adversary(tm) is working on her to cause her to have those bad thoughts and turn away from the truth. After she dies and becomes perfected, she will think it is all peachy-keen.

I really wish people would not speak on things that they obviously do not understand. Just because you heard romours about another person's beliefs, does not mean you know them, or understand them.

Your post was aimed at being insulting, degrading, and just plain vile. If you cannot find it in yourself to respect others you should not be on these threads.

The abuse of Polygamy. The dependence on Government wellfare. The forced marriage of any woman.

This is a brief list, as I do not know all that these people did.

You are right the FLDS are an abomonation.

So is the 'mainstream" Mormon cult that spawned them.

You decry polygamy (I think that's what you were trying to do--it was a little hard to wade through the thick cult rhetoric...) , yet belong to the Church that is responsible for creating it.

The Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132 STILL lists polygamy as a requirement for exaltation and "Godhood". It is STILL a commandment, according to "mainstream" Mormon scripture. "Mainstream" Mormon men STILL practice polygamy by being sealed to more than one woman at a time (and Mormon women are NEVER selaed to more than one man at a time).

"Mainstream" Mormons are STILL required to live polygamy--if not in the next life, in their Earthly lives, whenever the "bad" government decides to make it legal, and/or when "Christ comes again, administers the governement of the world through the Mormon Church, and re-instates the "new and EVERLASTING covenant" of "Celestial Marriage".

"Mainstream" Mormon "prophets" and leaders CONTINUED to live polygamy AFTER signing the (legal treaty) "Manifesto" in which they declared that they would end the practice in exchange for admittance to the Union. They just lied about it--the "men of God" that they were.

This is all fact. Recorded. Real.

The "mainstream" Mormon "Church" left the polygamists--the polygamists are the REAL Mormons who did not compromise what they recognized to be the "new and EVERLASTING" covenant ( as per Joseph Smith, please note that EVERLASTING means NEVER GOING AWAY) as "commanded" by God. They were the ones who refused to compromise for political reasons, and to avoid persecution (and the US Army). They (as much as I find them repugnent) were the only ones with huevos who really walked their talk (and I give them some measure of respect for that).

Utah has been turning a blind eye to polygamy for about a hundred years. Do not be fooled by their claims that they "have nothing to do with it". Methinks the lady doth protest too much....

Yes, the "mainstream" cult does believe that all men (who attain the incredibly elusive state of PERFECTION on Earth--which, still, doctrinally includes the requirement of living polygamy as a requisite for Godhood and eternal exhaltation[see Doctrine and Covenents, Section 132) will be given their own planet to rule, along with whichever of their multiple wives have also attained PERFECTION and eternal exaltation. Together this God and his (breeders) Godesses will create (through Eternal Sex) the spirit bodies that will be born into physical bodies to populate their planet. Part of the deal with polygamy is that it takes more than one Goddess to birth all of the necessary spirits to populate the new planet (although, I think that it is really about the sexual appetites and documented pedophilia of Joseph Smith, and the appetites and power trips of those who followed him. Mormons will tell you that polygamy was instituted as a "welfare program" to "care for" the women of the early church--allegedly because there were far more women than men in the early Church. Utah census records from that time say that there were never more women than men at that time--according to one respected researcher[Sandra Tanner--not respected by the cult, however]).

Mormons believe that the God of this Earth used to be a human man, and that He got this planet to rule by the above stated process. They believe that He and His Goddess(es? I have never heard that He is a polygamist, I have only ever heard discussion of Heavenly Mother in the singular) live on a planet called Kolob (one of the more bizarre, and amusing, and very, very, very long Mormon hymns is called "If You Could Hie to Kolob" wth "hie" means....) When I asked, as a child (and from thereon, for that matter) who the FIRST God was and where He came from, I was told that that is a Mystery that no one really knows the answer to (I guess JS's imagination failed to provide that doctrine...).

Brigham Young taught that the God of this world and Adam (of the Garden of Eden fame) are one and the same Being ( see B.YOung's Journal(s) of Discourses) I never quite figured out the intricacies of that doctirne, which has pretty much been abandonned (and discouraged from discussion) by the "mainstream" cult. Although Mormon Prophets "never speak as men" and continually channel new "revelation from God", it appears that they now believe that Brigham Young actually did speak as a man, or lied, or made a mistake. Or something. This being the case, why they continue to believe anything else that he ever said is the true Mystery.

I am a former "mainstream" Mormon cult member, attended BYU and lived in Utah.

because it didn't exist back then.

But...you will have to show evidence of the vague "abuse of polygamy" charge.

You show what the FDLS did to abuse polygamy, and I will show evidence of similar things in the early mormon church.

A compare and contrast, if you will.

My family came across the plains with Brother Brigham.

I am 6th generation.

Show where I was wrong in the belief. I just chose to put the belief in lay language so that it could be understood well. Shall I cite scripture and Journal of Discourse references?

You do not explain anything in terms that can be understood. You write with the purpose of inciting negetive, and even hostile, feelings in your readers towards the doctrine. This is the only purpose of such writing.

Anyone reading your post would not understand the doctrine. They would only think of some perverted man wanting to have sex for the rest of eternity, and that is not what the doctrine teaches.

Cite all you want, but without understanding the words will be easily misunderstood.