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Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by soulgroove07
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The recent decision on the cases decided by the Supreme Court is no great surpise and like every thing based on race it's sharpely divided according to your politcal or social viewpoint. Conservatives hail it as a decision for colorblindness and liberals lament the push for racial intergration via busing when the facts don't square up with reality, America in general and it's citizens in general practice defacto segregation towards each other so this decison just affrims the conservative idea that personal choice is driving racism not the result of legal laws passed by state and the fedreal government also let's not discount economic and poltical terrorism waged on African- Americans prior to Brown itself and continues on to this day which conservatives seem to ignore in their desire for some legal colorblind resolution.

As someone who was bused for 8 of his 12 years in school there was no intergration amongst the races outside of Football, Basketball and Track and maybe the creative arts in their schools. As an African- American what I saw was only 5-10 percent actually making an actually olive branch effort across racial lines. The only thing that busing taught me that whites could be devious in their dealings with African- Americans either through school adminstrations or white students acting like they were God's little angels and they weren't as bright and slick as they thought they were.

So I think the Civil Rights leaders believed too much in goodness of white americans when they should have never allowed our children to educated by our white enemies because White Americans believed in racial equality in theory not in practice and that has not changed in 53 years since that moment. This society will never accept African- Americans as it's fellow citizens so I see this desicion as a politcal one instead of the 9-0 Warren Court Brown desicion. African- Americans do not need to live, sleep, have sex or get along with the white population to live in this country. African- Americans need to be racial atheists when it comes to the white population and Justice John Roberts an the white posters phony "colorblind" mantra notwithstanding,

I think getting away from each other would ease the racial conflicts amongst black males and white teachers and give us as African- Americans a chance to develop our infrastructure in educating our children. There is a big world and we as Black Americans should embrace other cultures, educational ideas and those whites around the world who respect us as human beings and not problem citizens. White Americans are corrupt with priviledge and dealing with them will only give you mental and physical problems.

Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by LT-7
I was on those buses, too. The difference is, I was white and going from the neighborhood I lived in with my African American neighbors into school at what was probably the best school in the area. I don't know about olive branches. I do know that my best friend in grade school was Afro-American and I had friends from all ethnic groups. I lived, and still live in an ethnically diverse neighborhood. So do my parents. Most likely my son will, too. The difference is that now that neighborhood is not as poor as the one I grew up in and went on that bus from. I went up the economic ladder somewhat. Blacks and Whites and all people need each other. Treating each other as enemies is stupid. Using race as a dividing line between humans is stupid no matter who does it. Why do you so desperately want to hate?
Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by soulgroove07
I didn't create racism it was created and maintained by a populace that thought someone different was inferior and was cofied into science and politcal thought. The American Right and it's allies think that African- Americans are inferior and that's a fact. The modern racial cold war was started by William F. Buckley and Russell Kirk when they said it was okay for Southerners to 'maintain their way of life by any means' in the National Review after Brown came down the pike. I was born in 1966 so asking me to why I want to hate is like asking a homeless person why he eats trash, it's because he has no choice.
But they need the government handouts, don't they?
by gringo_911

Anyway, you hate white people, and you think that you have no choice. In other words, you declared a little personal jihad against the whites. Good luck with that. I hope the rest of Americans, white, black, Asian can live together peacefully and cooperate in their indeavours. We can ignore litte haters like you.

Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by LT-7
I was born before you were. You are not older than me. My youngest brother is your age. There is no excuse for your hate. I have never thought any other group of people was inferior. I do run into bigots in every one of them. They are an irritant, but usually a very small portion of any group. I will admit I ran into more of them than I had before in my life when I visited the South.
Re: But they need the government handouts, don't they?
by soulgroove07

Lololol I said white people were my enemies I couldn't a jihad if I wanted too, the day I can blow up a plane like 18 Arab Nationals did or what the U.S. Government did to African- Americans from 1619- 1970 which would be considered racial terrorism every else around the world expect stupid people like you. Your melodramtic rants about black folks getting government handouts (like Betchel, Dow Chemical , United Airlines, Viacom etc, etc ) is typical igorant white conservative rhetoric when trying to ignore the obvious Black and White Americans are enemies like Muslims and American Christians to deny that is ignoring history and what has happened to human being.

Tommie Jefferson always feared the "avenging angel of race" and he was a rapist of slaves and thought Blacks were inferior but unlike you Gringo I will take the writer of the U.S. Declaration of Independence over some "white boy" like you. You didn't challenge my opinion on the Supreme Court decision you called me a racist because I think the best avenue for African- Americans is not to engage White Americans when it comes to our needs and desires. Katrina should have taught us that that Black self- determination is more important than racial reconcilation. I have been educated in American schools and it does not benefit the majority of African- Americans. The court issued a divided opinion that was politcal descion not a moral one like Brown.

Black and White Americans do not need to get along in order to live in this country, and people like you make race relations trivial by your simplistic rants that have no intellectual weight .African- Americans have gotten all we all going to get in the politcal arena in regards to race, edcuation and poverty. Legally the 14,15, and 16 admendments have been used to the legal limits, The country is center - right and I think that intergration and busing was a failure expect for the elites of all races. So call me a racist jihiadist but I haven't declared war on this country like Neo- Nazi whites and The minuteman. White Americans are more melodramtic than gays a jihiadist lololol.

Gringo, you should be ashamed of yourself.
by LT-7
You have let this hateful idiot lead you into saying stupid bigoted things. You aren't that stupid, really, are you? As I said in another post, you need some sleep. You are losing it.
Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by donjohn5
You may have not created the racism, but you seem bound and determined to perpetuate it. It will only be when whites and blacks are on even footing while dating that racism will begin to disappear. I see evidence of that happening now, as many urban schoolkids date across racial lines without sanction. First, however, the old folks will have to die out or shut up.
Dating? Why that in particular?
by LT-7
I don't really understand. I think that basically if all were put on an equal educational footing and given what they needed in the way of medical care and help to achieve their full academic potential from a pretty even playing field, we would see a lot less racism and economic stratification and the country would benefit from better development of the potential of young people. I don't know that dating across racial lines wouldn't be more prevalent, but I don't think that dating is the measure of tolerance and equality. Social and economic movement is achieved through education, not dating generally.
Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by middleview

Bigotry is not unique to American white people. It was bigotry that caused the slaughter in Rwanda. It was bigotry that allowed the Japanese to murder tens of thousands of Chinese and American, British and Australian POWs in World War II.

You can continue to hate, but that is also a form of bigotry. There are more white people who are not biased against you than there are those who hate you for the color of your skin. If this were not true the jim crow laws would still be in effect.

Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by soulgroove07
I'll remember that when Rudy "kill some blacks" Gulliani gets elected President next year . Thank God in Florida there are gun laws because I will be buying them and also some Hollow Points for those pesky bullet - proof vests that dirty cops like Justin Volpe wears. Hate is as American as Apple Pie, Baseball , 3/4 of a human being and Steriods.
Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by middleview

I don't think Rudy will get elected, but I don't recall that particular allegation, that he was a bigot.

George Bush's popularity is currently at 26%. I'd say that those same people are the ones who are hard to convince that all men are created equal.

In any case, the majority of Americans are not the kind of people who hate you because you are black. These are the same people who gave millions of dollars for the non-white victims of the sunami or for Katrina victims. Don't condemn people you've never met.

Can't see your skin color from here
by justoffal

so I don't know if this post is a troll post ( sure looks like one ) or one made of personal experience and bad memories.

I do agree with one premise wholeheartedly though..... racism is a choice and not a piece of legislation. As a choice racism represents the darkest and most unintelligent portion of the human spirit. It is often identified by its self appointed watchers with hate speech, tag names and snobbery...but is far too often overlooked when it is masked with education, victimization and activism.

I see you as wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to begin to respond to your position. The truth is that everyone needs everyone and there is no man, country or race that can claim intrinsic Independence with any measure of consistency. I suppose it would be too simplistic to expect you to use the term Human race.....sigh..

For what its worth I have been accused of racism regularly here because I oppose the activism of Al Sharpton and I am offended by his complete lack of public speaking ability save for his bombastic, pulpit thundering nonsense.

I don't buy Martin Luther King's message or his phony holiday because I never saw any evidence of universal reach in his efforts.

I do however note the distinct lack of so called "white" civil rights leaders...always did find that curious.

My favorite orator and scholar of all time is Frederick Douglass. I have made that clear on many occasions here. Now there is a man who had it all together and was so far ahead of his time that he should have been declared a saint. You will note that his message bears no resemblance to the rabble rousing of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton and never focuses on the interests of just one people.

Personally I am too dark to be considered white but too light to be considered black. So I stand somewhere in the middle I guess by other people's standards. I will tell you one thing though. I have a large circle of friends that represent most of the imagined racial categories here on earth and I never think twice about the melatonin count in their skin...that is just a silly, stupid waste of time.

Busing was, is and always will be a band-aid on the sorest of human wounds. It accomplishes nothing of any real value save the mis-impression that something is being done to integrate on a mechanical scale what can only be healed and integrated on a spiritual scale.

If I were asked to define racism in terms of an event I think the most flagrant example I have seen recently was Hillary Clinton's speech to the Black Leaders caucus. She really put on the southern drawl for them ( as if they were too stupid to know it ) and that my friend made me want to puke on her.

Race matters
by nmd2000

I wish that everyone could have the courage and self-understanding of the original poster to be able to see how their identity and experiences color their perspectives. This poster is biracial with friends who are all shades of the rainbow and he can't understand how soulgroove could write as if race is real or should be legitimated by using it to define community. If you are not phenotypically black and have not experienced economic disadvantage, you do not know what it is to live in the world of black America. To be an outsider, a threat, a despised and denigrated member of the human family everyone keeps talking about. If you don't get it, perhaps you should spend less time attacking someone inside the world, and more time trying to build a bridge of understanding or- if this could even be possible in this culture, deferring to another person in recognition of your ignorance.


I have read nothing but ignorant responses to the original post. Liberal drivel from people who don't know what it means to live in Black America. I live there, and I can sympathize with the impulse to work within the community to create institutions that serve our youth and families. It is what we must do because white America has no interest in seeing us thrive (it is precisely against their interests). We must attend to ourselves and not to feel-good rhetoric before we are so eviscerated by their neglect and hostility that there is nothing left to build up. We must recognize that the race war is not pending- IT IS UPON US and we are losing because we are lulled by the left and cowed by the right. Stand up, Black America!

Re: Blacks do not need racial harmony or white americans
by donjohn5

"I think the Civil Rights leaders believed too much in goodness of white americans when they should have never allowed our children to educated by our white enemies because White Americans believed in racial equality in theory not in practice and that has not changed in 53 years since that moment."

This is the most hateful and inaccurate statement in the entire thread. It implies that their is no hope of an integrated, just society, and that MLK was wrong.

For the sake of my biracial daughters, I hope soulgroove is wrong!

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